It seems as if a lot of people go out of body without the problem of a spirit invading their body. On some forum, I believe AstralPulse, a person wrote that she came back to her body, and a spirit was in it. She yelled at the spirit "Get out!" and it got out.

When I've had OBEs with all the effects, I maintained awareness of my physical body, even though I experienced myself flying around some place.

I lose awareness of my body when I have an OBE that starts out as a lucid dream.

I don't know the answer to this issue. Perhaps it is more of a matter of how much energy we keep attached to our body, and etheric body represents a sufficient amount of energy left with one's body.

How about people who have NDEs? Does their etheric body stay attached? Do they ever get possessed?

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 Think more deeply about this Dude.   Perhaps there is a difference between falling asleep and consciously going OOB in the etheric state?  
Perhaps people, because they go so deep while falling asleep, that they bypass the etheric state and/or there is a more harmonious resonance for when one falls asleep, the Greater self tends to have more influence with its probe?

 What is physical consciousness?  What is and what does "falling asleep" mean?    Why do all of us stuck humans click out so deeply at some point in this process of "falling asleep"?  

 Because there is so little resonance with the physical state or range of frequency.  Sleep is the small, temporary, but not full "death" experience of the physical level within self.   It is not the same as a person physically relaxing and consciously focusing primarily in their etheric energies during a classic OOBE.

 The reason why we click out for a time during the falling asleep process is because so many of our other energy bodies are involved simultaneously, that it is too much for our conscious minds to handle until the physical state/range of consciousness has been purified.  

Meaning, this is why some people like "He/She" of Monroes 3rd book doesn't sleep anymore at all.  No need too, for their is NO LOSS OF CONSCIOUSNESS within self.   And this is because their various and seemingly "different" energy fields are completely merged and balanced.   There is NO static, there is NO dissonance, friction, or inharmony anymore.  The self can handle all levels of info involved.

 What is death?  What does "death" signify, and we're not talking in the physical sense of the breakdown of a physical body?   Death, the very meaning of same means or implies a temporary loss of consciousness.   When one is so attuned to PUL and to Source, like a He/She their consciousness is a full, uninterrupted conscious continuum.  There isn't ever a loss of consciousness within self, for the little self is completely merged and at One with the Whole.  Death is the seemingly opposite state of this full Oneness, it is the loss of consciousness on some level, of some or many levels.   Death is in reality, ignorance of the true nature of the True Self.  

 So back to sleep, because of the nature of sleep and the process of falling asleep, one is not all that susceptible to the undue influence/resonation with a stuck consciousness as one might potentially be when one is primarily matching the physical state to etheric state.  

 Again, i'm explaining this as best as i can, yet its not as clear as i would like it to be.  

 I do not believe that Rosiland's guidance was fear mongering on this, i think they were just pointing out a natural tendency, based on a deeper understanding of vibrational resonance.   Humans are complex, multi-leveled beings and until all Fields within self are purfied in Spirit, then there is always some potential for undue influence from those stuck in their etheric levels of being.  

 But, this undue influence can become more amplified when one is likewise focussing primarily in the etheric state.   This, like many things pertains to Like attracts, begets, and resonates Like law that runs throughout all levels of this particular Universe.  

Next, we would like to talk about the influence of alcohol and that this self has seen and experienced in others, the so called state of "possession", which really means a strong resonation of some level of a human, with that of a stuck consciousness.  

 How and why does this happen and is much more common when those are indulging too much in this substance?   This would have to be delved very deeply in, and one would have to understand that all so called "physical things" are really emblematic of certain consciousnesses, that physical "things" have a deeper meaning beyond what humans consider the physical, outer aspect.  

  What does alcohol then represent?   It represents the concentrated desire of many humans throughout time immemorial  for something outside of self, to make self happy.  It is a materialistic desire which distorts spiritual truth and consciousness, for happiness can only really be found within when one attunes to PUL.  

 So when a physically incarnate person imbibes quantities of alcohol, from the typical reasons, intents, and motivations that most do, there is imbibed not just the chemical/molecular pattern in the physical substance, but also what we would call the "spirit of alcohol".  

 This then, especially in the average situation with the average human, is an act of deep materialism, which translates to super slow vibrations.   This then facilitates an inharmony between the physical field with those of the faster vibrating fields.  

 With inharmony, or dis-union, comes weakness in one form or another.   The energy patterns in a drunk human become weaker and more dissonant with one another.  In a sense, or for an analogy there are "bigger cracks" temporarily opened up for a stuck consciousness to "poke through or into".  

  A stuck consciousness with its lack of respect of freewill, and its limiting or negative intents, then sees or senses this opportunity, and then tries to merge strongly with certain, more receptive aspects and levels of that human.  For the reasons given above, it is easier for these to do this and to have a greater influence on that body under this circumstance.

 This is a bit different than the question of the etheric OOB state and being unduly influenced by stuck consciousnesses.  Yet, in the comprehension of the energy laws behind same, there are some similarities which is why we mention this, that and to tell especially those sensitive types to avoid getting drunk.  

Some are so positive and loving in nature and have transformed so much of what some call the shadow self, to have little ill effect from imbibing a little too much occasionally.

 To drink alcohol is not necessarily always "bad", but it depends as in all things, about the intent, deeper motivation.   This channel occasionally drinks small amounts of organic red wine because of the health promoting properties on the physical level of this substance.  The positive, respectful intent behind this, nullifies the nonconstructive collective consciousness that created the "thoughtform" which later materialized as "alcohol".  

It is important to treat the body physical with respect, for though it is ultimately an illusion, it is an illusion or temporary construct that is helping the real and eternal parts of you to realize its deepest dreams and desires.   To be in conscious awareness of Home again--to merge with the Whole and with Source the original Creator Consciousness.

 We hope we have given some food for thought in this dissertation.  We have not advocated fear, but awareness of how energy works and the interconnection between the various levels within Self.   As this channel oft says, like attracts, begets and resonates with like.  This is such an important, overriding, but little understood in a holistic manner, Law that pertains to so much of human and nonhuman experience that we try to approach the explaining of it from many various angles in order to make it easier to comprehend.

 PUL is the greatest "shield" around, if one consistently chooses and attunes to that underlying, all inclusive Reality, then there is no need for caution or other kinds of "shielding" or energy considerations.   But how many humans choose thusly in a consistent and more pure sense?
 Hence, the other cautions given through another channel from our level and levels connected to same.  These are what you would term "common sense", from our perspective.  As this channel as figured out via both experience and from guidance from our levels, when one is consistently and highly attuned to PUL, it is actually hard to have a classic OOBE.

To quote from the book..
"There is always fear that a wandering soul will take over the physical body when the higher aspects of the self are wandering through other levels.  The greatest possibility of this is when the soul goes out from dimension two and leaves the physical body in isolation.  There are no other levels other than the physical there to provide protection, and the body is more susceptible to invasion."

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Ah, but they do.  See the above quote from the book.  She says the physical is left in isolation.  Isolation, isolated, left alone, solitary. 

This simply is not truth-the body is never left in isolation.  I think we both agree on this.

If it is true that during sleep our consciousness splits off via our multidimensional energy bodies, then our nightly sleep activities are not much different than when we have a conscious etheric level projection, because the same exact thing is happening, with the exception of one's level of awareness.  The etheric body doesn't just lay around and wait for us to have an OBE before it becomes consciously active.  This portion of ourselves exists and is active regardless of our conscious awareness.  I know this for a fact, for I have awaken mid-astral projection, finding myself exploring nonphysical realms mid-journey.  Therefore we are no more or less suseptable to "possession," regardless of the type of projection. 

Think about it this way... Let's say we have an etheric level projection.  Our awareness is focused in the etheric level, but this is just one portion of our total consciousness... another aspect of us is still with the physical.  Now, lets say were sleeping.  Our awareness is basically totally unfocused, C1 awarenessly speaking.  However, portions of our awareness are still out exploring their resonating levels.  So the physical body is still in the same position, because the energy of our focused awareness is not present in the physical either way.

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I likewise mostly disagree with the popular concept of full body possession.  However, her guides seem to imply this very idea, for they claim it is possible for a wandering soul to take over the physical body.  and the body is more susceptable to invasion.

I know that Rosalind's guides are very very love oriented, which is why this obviously fear-oriented dictation is so surprising. 

Seems you are right, seems to be an example of some skewing involved in this part.  Yet, i believe this concept can be looked at differently and explained logically when the semantics of specific, individual words are taken out. 

  I believe there is a reason for caution, for the very reasons that i, not her info, outlined.

You're right, explaining a historical physical event is different than explaining a natural nonphysical phenomenon.  However, reality is reality.  Either Jesus was crucified or he wasn't, just as either our physical body is left alone during OBEs or it isn't.  While my personal experience hasn't yet verified the details of the crucifixion, I have personally verified the fact that our physical body is not left as an isolated shell.  Other more advanced explorers have found the same.  

I'm not saying you are wrong about Seth, I am simply saying we find Rosalind in a similar position as Roberts, for we have found inconsistencies in both of their material, this one existing in the spectrum of fear rather than love.  

I honestly believe this was more of Rosalind's belief than it was her guidance.  I agree that some of Rosalind's guidance is dumbed down, not that it really needs to be when you look at the complexity and detail of some material out there these days.  In fact, Rosalinds work is not much more complex than Monroes and the like, if it is at all, and therefore the issue of her needing to oversimplify the concepts does not apply.  In fact, this excuse does not apply for another reason- what is stated is not an oversimplification, it is simply false.

In my opinion.  (Which is based on personal experienced and extensive research into the subject, of course.)

Spending too much time on trying to map these various states and levels of consciousness can become a distraction, especially if PUL is not a strong inner ideal and is not the more concentrated on reality.  

 That there is a "difference" in feeling and experience between the physical consciousness level and that of pure Spirit, is self evident to any who has conscious remembrance of both states (rarely i phase more fully into my spiritual body {when i do, there is almost a total loss of awareness of the physical}, which is where i experience the perception of the pure White Light).  

It is also self evident that at some point, what we call "physical energies or consciousness state" becomes completely transcended and not used by a particular probe (at least in the majority).  

It is important to realize that each level after pure Spirit is an ever more distorted reflection of Spirit, with the physical range being the least clear and true reflection.  

 How and why this happened, is a whole nother question, and one i rarely find any agreement with others on, so i will keep it to myself.  Suffice it to say, the physical is an illusion in the grand scheme of things.   Only pure Spirit is completely real, for it is the state of eternity and eternal, unbroken and completely connected, and completely conscious of same, consciousness.  

 That physical is temporal is the biggest clue to it being an illusion within the grand scheme of things.

 Many mystics, seers, and shaman types have spoken of perceiving Reality/The Field as various interconnected levels, states, steps, planes etc., that are like a vibrational scale--they go from the slowest vibrating state, to the fastest possible (which i consider and call "pure Spirit awareness").

  This is not in a straight line though, its more like a circle for an analogy.  Rather more the ancient curly cue symbol wherein the point starts in the center, and goes outward in a circular pattern, but eventually comes back into the center again.

 During my Gateway Voyage at TMI, while in meditation i got a visual of this inner twisting mobius like Piano with many, many "keys" on it.  It was representing the nature of reality, and saying that the vibrational scale theory is essentially correct, though not well or more holistically understood by many.  Also, my experience which started out as a classic OOBE but i started to phase into faster vibrating levels within self also likewise confirmed this essential reality to me.

 It's also what the ancient Chakra system is based around, and that as above, so below.  

  Our physical endocrine glands are the distorted, materialized reflection of these 7 main energy states/dimensions within the Self.

 It is one thing to speak more from theory and intellect, and another to speak more from experience and deep intuition.

 But yes, Oneness and PUL are the most important ideals and concepts to get.  If one gets these, and more importantly starts to live them in a consistent manner, it often opens up ones perceptions in many ways to many phenomena.  This is similar to what Bruce Moen also says is his experience and what guidance energies tell him.   I could not agree more on this aspect.

recoverer wrote on Feb 3^rd, 2009 at 9:18pm:


  I would say this is similar to what i was talking about re: the sleep state.  In many NDE's, at least the more numerous positive ones i've read about, it seems that a persons consciousness is automatically phasing into much faster vibrating inner dimensions than what happens with someone going and staying OOB while in a conscious state. 

  Chakra wise, it seems that many NDE's take place in the 4th Center, and/or beyond.   Some seem to be experiencing the 6th, or even occasionally the 7th plane.  The latter all being within the "higher" mental body and phasing into the spiritual body. 

  My guess is that in some of these latter cases, they are being vibrationally lifted up by Guide and/or Elder/completed Being types in order for them to experience such profound and expanded states, and bringing them back into physical awareness again.   These are messengers with a purpose.  Often they agree to this before the physical incarnation takes place, while still phased into the nonphysical dimensions.