Hello Beau:

Regarding how Bruce saw his disk, perhaps this is just one way of seeing a disk. Different people see there disks/I-there's/oversouls/total self in different ways.

Regarding things sounding mechanical, they are organized. I've found that spirit World information is often received in a manner we can understand. A person will be shown visual images that aren't to be interpreted literally, but as 3D representations for something that is hard to explain in 3D terms.  I figure there are times Bruce described things in an interpretive way without explaining that this is what he was doing, because it would've become a bit cumbersome if he had to explain everytime he did so.

Regarding Sylvia receiving help, what she went through reminds me of an NDE life review, only she didn't have the problem of having to return to a body when it came to the timing. In Sylvia's case, a gradual process was allowed. The fact of how she called out for Jesus's help shows that she was willing to receive help.  Her willingness was the key factor and shows that her free will wasn't interferred with.

When a spirit shows the willingness to be helped, it is only natural that this spirit be presented with influences that will help it change for the better. Goodness knows that this World has a lot of negative influences. This being the case, it is a good thing that the positive influence of PUL is available to spirits who want to change, such as Sylvia. When she was exposed to PUL, she was able to look at her life  honestly, she stopped clinging to negative patterns of thought, and they were cleansed away. The same thing can happen while we occupy a body. It has happened to me a lot.

When I read about Sylvia being cleansed, two flashes of gold light flashed over the page as I did so.  These flashes were about the size of a nickle. I figure they were a confirmation of what took place. This is especially true, because two of something is a way of confirming things to me. The two thing is a method of communication my spirit guidance and I have developed.

Regarding spirits appearing as Jesus, at first this bothered me. Then I figured that if these spirits live according to the same love and purpose that Jesus lives according to, and he doesn't mind spirits doing so, where is the problem? I do not believe that disrespect is intended.

I do believe it is a mistake to believe that the spirit of Jesus never appears when people such as near death experiencers experience him. To me it is quite clear that some NDErs such Thomas Sawyer, George Ritchie and Howard Storm did in fact experience the spirit of Jesus. I know that I've had experiences that involved the spirit of Jesus. My feeling is that Jesus can help as many people as is appropriate, but he doesn't have any problem with other beings who live according to love and light also helping out.

You're welcome.

Beau wrote on Jan 26^th, 2009 at 7:14pm:

oops, you're right. It's on the book. I thought that was some astral lily pad, but I guess it is his disk. Thanks for pointing it out Vicky.

Alycia, (That is you, isn't it?) Thanks for all those thoughts. I'm still learning my way round here. I don't normally think of myself as a person who takes stuff too literally, but sometimes with Bruce's books I do find myself falling into that against my will. I get that the Disk is somehow a greater whole than the individual and that's very cool to me, but somehow the idea of a disk makes me think it has a mechanical personality or something--and I know that's not what he's talking about. I like the graduation aspects that the disk takes on a lot too and they are in tune with what I already believed. So its not a hard jump to the message as much as a slight difficulty following the path to get to the message, but the posts on the thread are making it much easier and I really appreciate it. I guess I just never thought of light workers as having jobs that seem a little...dare I say....mundane. And I don't think they are mundane, but in trying to relate to them from the readings--I kind of get that feeling. Does that seem strange?

Alycia, (That is you, isn't it?)
yes indeed.
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Thanks for all those thoughts. I'm still learning my way round here. I don't normally think of myself as a person who takes stuff too literally, but sometimes with Bruce's books I do find myself falling into that against my will. I get that the Disk is somehow a greater whole than the individual and that's very cool to me, but somehow the idea of a disk makes me think it has a mechanical personality or something--and I know that's not what he's talking about. I like the graduation aspects that the disk takes on a lot too and they are in tune with what I already believed. So its not a hard jump to the message as much as a slight difficulty following the path to get to the message, but the posts on the thread are making it much easier and I really appreciate it. I guess I just never thought of light workers as having jobs that seem a little...dare I say....mundane. And I don't think they are mundane, but in trying to relate to them from the readings--I kind of get that feeling. Does that seem strange?
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not strange. for years I struggled with the vision of the same as you, and also with Monroe's loosh crop story. loosh is another word for what humans produce on this planet. love. the distilled essence of love. like aged wine perhaps.

it's not easy to get these concepts. it's difficult to have a vision and then have to translate it into a language of say 3 dimensions, when you been out in a 4 or 5 dimensional non linear time frame.

The we are all one concept suited me much better than the disc oneness, just until I finished re-reading Monroe with the news there that Bob had been retrieving his disc members left and right for some time so they could wink out, after Bob served one more life time here. each retrieval lifted the whole of mankind one step closer to what we might call an ascension process.

I know you are learning a lot. the mechanical aspects of a disc image may reflect the higher mental planes which are not the same levels as the emotional plane, it's more abstract.

for centuries mention is also made of the akashic records where data is stored of all lives lived by any single individual. the disc hold this information of each life within that particular disc I believe.

you can circumvent your way around the mechanical inference by reading about quantum physics, how a proton seems to have it's own intelligence and order. therefore even something mechanical is alive and vital and we are all a part of that aliveness and vitality.

If you get a chance read Monroe's bio, that was a mind blowing life he just lived. He and Bruce are in the same disc. it sets up an overview of the philosophy Monroe gives us and sheds new light on Bruce's vision.

happy exploring! 

you're quite welcome Beau. In the end, I see what you're driving at, that we cannot rely upon anyone else's report of the afterlife, only an experience of our own will do. In a sense, by talking here about it, we establish some sort of mapping out of it, by first using someone's sign post they put up for the unknown regions of the mind, then as we go we put up our own signs for others to follow perhaps.

I think one of the major premises here I've come to accept, that we make our own afterlife according to our thoughts and beliefs, desires and expectations, sort of the many mansions idea.
so while I'm sitting here in my now moment, I'm making my future moment, afterlife circumstances also.
I don't remember any parts of Bruce's books describing labor in the afterlife, so I'm not understanding the perspective.
maybe you could go into it deeper or say what page?

cheers!

it seems like it's this way with me, with all books that I like. that if I reread them a year or so later, I find it's like reading it for the first time, because I didn't get it all the first run through, and we change so much in a year, our understanding changes or broadens.

the 2nd time thru brings more enjoyment for me.
here's a little story I can share about helpers, laying down time lines.

I needed a van but I didn't want to have to do all the work of searching for a van. so I thought I would see if there was a spirit helper would find me one. it was only an experiment. My feelings were I was ashamed to ask for help, for something I could do myself.

I knew I would have to create the van as I wanted it. All I could think of I wanted a shiny color and a good dependable engine, so I thought about that in meditation. I pretended I was talking to a helper, who was going to find this van for me.
then I had a dream; a young man came and showed me a beat up looking red datsun and he said is this what you want? because I had been thinking of Datsuns also.
I vetoed the datsun. then the guide said be sure you know what you want and I'll see you later.

So I think about it some more, doing the decision thing firmly so that he can find what I want.
I have another dream. me and this guide are going for a test drive in this beautiful newer van with a great paint job and he's driving and looking at me he grins and says "you need to realize this is a very good engine."
which had always been my main concern, that I might buy a bad engine. the ride was very smooth.
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time passed and I moved to another state in which I would acquire this van. The first van I saw on the internet for my price range I drove straight to it and decided to buy it without looking at any others.
It was the same van I'd seen that the guide had shown me, with the test drive, and it felt exactly the same when I drove it.

then I was certain there are guides who do this work. I even asked him, why do you do this work out here? He said he was inbetween lives and he enjoyed it, helping others and it kept him busy.
also he said many were like him, connecting buyers and sellers together, only he was one of the top connectors, and somehow I knew he was very efficient at what he did.
I said I don't have money to give you for your service to me, but I have a lot of love, and he said the gratitude keeps him going.

I did see him one more time; he had brought to me some weird jeep car which I was sort of attracted to it, but decided against because the van felt safer and more solid and could hold all the animals me and my girls had.  I often wondered what nonphysical beings do all day, right?

a lot of them help us! anyway, I thought he was a beautiful young man and I missed seeing him after the deal. he loved his work and you could tell. sometimes work is play for others.