Hi Joe,
Thanks for the further explanation, and yes your past derogatory references to me is part of why i thought perhaps there was another reason for you call me aka. Thought maybe it was a snide little personal joke designed to poke another for a reaction. I will say that on at least a few occasions, i did not get a very sincere vibe from you.
Re: vegetarianism, i do not personally care if you become a vegetarian, nor am i trying to convert you. I never wanted this to become a discussion about vegetarianism to begin with.
You wrote earlier re: Recoverer,
Quote:"It seams that your heart is closed to the possibility of others being equal to... or even perhaps bigger than he."
I was trying to make a roundabout point that if Albert didn't think all Beings were essentially equal, One, and if he didn't respect other beings besides Yeshua, then I doubt he would be a vegetarian. He is a vegetarian out of respect, consideration, and concern for animals and the
intense physical pain and emotional fear they often go through to become a persons meal.
I asked you what about you, do you walk the walk more purely, or more talk the talk.
As i explained to you before, you are right, all energy, all consciousnesses are connected and essentially One and equal in that sense.
Yet, there are obvious differences in physical, and otherwise, between say plants, animals, and humans. Within that comparison, both many animals (particularly foul and especially any mammals), are like humans in that they can experience intense pain and emotional fear.
Plants do not, they are just no designed that way. It is simple compassion, simple decency, simple respect for the concern for other beings different, yet connected to and similar to humans, to NOT contribute to the torture and killing of animals unless one absolutely NEEDS TO IN ORDER TO SURVIVE. Most people i know in this day and age, do not need to contribute to the torture and killing of animals to survive.
What I and Albert are talking about, is simple common sense relating to having compassion for another beings acute suffering both physically and emotionally. Plants just aren't built that way, their consciousness and bodies are different, though they are connected and One with All, just as All life is.
These reasons in relation to animals, are the same reasons I wouldn't torture or kill a human for food. Would you? I wouldn't think so. Why, if animals, plants, and humans are exactly alike?
With that said, if one feels they must eat meat, then ideally, ethically, they would benefit from getting meat from animals raised and slaughtered in the most humane ways possible. Or animals hunted with little awareness of same, and quickly killed.
I've gotten guidance that in the days to come, i may need to occasionally hunt and eat flesh in order to survive, and if it becomes that much of a necessity than i suppose i would have to do it occasionally. But, i would never ever again contribute to the corrupt, totally inhumane, torturous mainstream meat and dairy world.
Those who do and don't think twice about it, well it indicates something about them and their "Heart openness" or rather lack thereof. It indicates that they care more for shallow, hedonistic material pleasures than another being who feels acute physical pain and emotional fear like themsevles.
To not contribute at all to this monster machine of conventionally raised "food", takes at first some discipline and self sacrifice. It is far easier to stay in ones negative and nonconstructive ways. It is easy to make excuses, to rationalize, in order to not commence with self change. It is easy to put the little self above others. Hence collective human tendencies, and why the world and many people in same is so imbalanced and lacking in real love.
Perhaps this is why I have sensed and met many more older Souls, a much higher percentage who are vegetarian or vegan in lifestyle, than i have in the carnivore world. And often, in the carnivore world, many of the older Souls i've met, tended to eat very little meat compared to the average Westerner and especially American.
Another benefit of going meatless beyond the compassion to animals issue, is that you are not contributing to the pollution of the Planet and thus to the ill health of ALL WITHIN IT. Giant "livestock" agribusiness is responsible for a lot of pollution that goes on.
With all the above said, it would be hard for most people who are say living in the climate and ways of the traditional Eskimos to go completely meatless, for meat is one of the only foods around, and also more heat producing than most veggie foods. Yet, theoretically it could be doable.
I recently watched a weather channel show about a man who lives in the far north of Alaska, wherein it regularly drops to 50 below not even considering the wind chill. He, even in the long, dark winter, only wears a t-shirt, some pants, and gloves for his hands. An example of "mind over matter". Such will power and belief, could also alter the seeming physical need for "meat" in ones diet as well.
I'm not black and white about this, or any subject. I see the relativity in all situations.
As ever, actions speak much louder than typed words. There is nothing else i could say or outline about this particularly topic, so i am done. Be a conventional meat eater, a more ethical meat eater, be a vegetarian, be a vegan, i could personally not care that much about it one way or another, but your arguments lack plain common sense and logic, but speak much more of the need or wanting to believe something out of attachment NOT "Love" and "heart openness" which you so threw in Alberts face earlier.