Recoverer wrote: "4. A part of growing in love, is getting to the point where you always choose according to love, rather than according to what is convenient.  If a person takes part in an abortion without "actually" knowing whether it is okay for abortions to take place, perhaps he or she places convenience before love."

Volu responded: "How does one choose according to love? What is the love above anyway, and why does it make demands?"

Recoverer responds: "It isn't a matter of what love demands. It is a matter of what a person needs to do in order to experience and live according to love.  If a person makes rationalizations for self-centered activity, he or she will define his or her self accordingly. For example, if for the sake of physical pleasure a man decides to define women as pieces of meat to be used sexually, how will he be able to experience their spirit selves? Perhaps there is something to the as you sow so you reap principle. Many people who have found themselves in lower realms after their death, have found this principle to be true."

Hawkeye:

I figure there are lots of wonderful light beings and just about all of us are destined to become light beings like Christ. I figure this is what he has in mind. Nevertheless, this doesn't mean that everybody who has claimed to be a spiritual master was a high level spiritual master. Many have made the claim without being a master. I agree with Justin in that for the most part, people who have reached a high level of being aren't well known. They do their thing behind the scenes. I believe it is important to be discerning about who is authentic and who isn't.

I believe it was wrong for me to use the word "meaningless." I apologize for doing so.

hawkeye wrote on Jan 29^th, 2009 at 1:31pm:

Volu wrote on Jan 28^th, 2009 at 4:38pm:


  So Volu, there is something lacking or limiting in the notion of self sacrifice for the greater good of the All?  And to return positivity to those who hand you negativity? 

To me, that is the highest form of PUL, which Yeshua, Dr. Martin Luther King Jr, and some others here and there epitomized.

  Those with a very strong sense of the little self, of course do not like, understand, or vibe well with what is to them such silly notions.   And this is  part of why many of these so dislike Yeshua and his example.

  Again, it follows the Like attracts, begets, likes and resonates with Like energy law.

Hawkeye:

Robert asked about Jesus, and some of us spoke about Jesus. If Robert would've asked about somebody else, we might've spoken about somebody else.

Robert:

Please ask about Joe (Hawkeye), so we can speak about him.

hawkeye wrote on Jan 29^th, 2009 at 2:52pm:

I thank you for the Jesus love conchesness you send my way Recoverer. It reflects how close to him you truly are. Everyone is more than welcome to talk about me, if that is your wish Albert. All this time I thought he was talking about opening a church. Silly me.
Joe

Beau,
I was just going to type  YIKES!!!!!  but your post beat me to it!

Aras

When I see crops being grown so they can be eaten, they seem to be grown in conditions that are quite similar to the conditions they normally grow in. In fact, they seem to get more attention than usual. They probably don't need pesticides. Better for us and them if we eat organic.

When it comes to animals, each year, about 6.5 billion souls have to incarnate into the lives of animals that are raised in cruel conditions so they can be eaten. Because they have nervous systems just like human beings have nervous systems (unlike plants) they experience pain.

Chickens and Eggs:
-Chicks have their sensitive beaks cut off without any painkillers.
-Chickens spend their entire lives in filthy, ammonia-laden sheds with tens of thousands of other birds. They are dosed with a steady stream of drugs and bred to grow so large so fast that many become crippled under their own weight or suffer organ failure.
-Many chickens suffer form chronic respiratory diseases, weakened immune systems, and bronchitis.
-After six weeks in these horrible conditions, the birds are roughly thrown into cages that are stacked on the back of a truck, and then they are shipped through all weather extremes to the slaughterhouse.

At slaughter, workers violently grab them and hang them upside down by their legs, which they force into shackles, breaking many of them in the process. Then their throats are slit.

-Birds who are raised for their eggs are packed, five to 11 at a time, into wire cages that are so small that they don't have enough room to spread even a single wing. Their wings and legs atrophy from disuse, and their legs and feet become deformed from standing on slanted wire cage bottoms. The tip of each hen's sensitive beak is cut off with a burning-hot blade. After about two years of confinement, they are violently pulled from their cages and shipped to slaughter. Their bodies are already so battered and emaciated that they can only be used for soup or companion animal food. Male chicks are worthless to the egg industry and it kills millions of newborn male chicks every year.

Pigs:
-Are castrated, have hunks of flesh cut from their ears, bits of their teeth cut off with wire cutters, and their tails chopped off—all without any painkillers.

Sometimes, the stalls they are confined to are stacked, and excrement form the pigs in the upper tiers falls onto those below.

They spend their entire lives in crates so small that they can't even turn around. Many pigs go insane from extremely crowded conditions in factory farms and compulsively chew on the bars of their pens.

420,000 pigs a year arrive crippled at the slaughterhouse, and another 1 million arrive dead from the journey. Because so many are killed at a time, it is hard to insure that they have actually been stunned to death when they are placed into scalding-hot water tanks that are intended to soften their skin and remove their hair. Therefore, they are boiled to death.

The same is true for other animals such as cows, but my post is getting too long.

Perhaps a movie about this subject should be made and called "An Inconvenient Truth" or has that title already been chosen?

We wouldn't treat human souls in the above manner simply because we eat vegetables, so why treat animal souls in such a manner?