I recently received a newsletter from Astral Pulse which may be of interest to many here..

The Nativity Agenda
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It is understandable that at this traditional time of the year many
people are questioning the biblical origins of Christmas - the
"Nativity".

The highly globally respected BBC New published this article
recently:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7793106.stm

This in summary relates to a survey carried out by the Church, which
revealed that of the 1000 people questioned, 70%, including many
who profess to being Christian, no longer believe in the "Nativity".

And we must keep in Mind that the birth of Jesus is one of the most
iconic and crucial aspects of the New Testament, and one that
underpins the very existence of the Christian Religion itself,
along with the "crucifixion" and "resurrection" mythologies.

Why they are mythologies we will see a little later.

This though means that the dire warnings of the church as to the
consequences for all those who fail to be "obedient to God" and to
"believe in and respect" the life circumstances and meaning of
"his" only "son" as well as accepting him as their "saviour", are
no longer holding the controlling power they once did - and up
until not so many years ago at that.

We cannot be "saved" by "others" for two fundamental reasons:

1. There are no "others", we are all One, and therefore our
destinies are inexorably linked. Each influences the Whole.

2. As individuated aspects and Expressions of Source Energy we are
blessed with Freewill and Mind to Evolve in accordance with how we
best make use of the powers, abilities and Mind that Source has
provided us with - which are Infinite and Eternal - as Source.

In short - more of  humanity is finally beginning to think for
themselves.

This is a strong indicator that finally, as humanity awakens, the
foundations of these old systems of "belief" are crumbling like the
fabled walls of Jericho, and will, in time, become yet another
useless ruin, ancient relics discarded and left behind by humanity
as they move on to greater levels of understanding, Spirituality
and Closeness with our True Source,just as before, when humanity
abandoned their great temples dedicated to their numerous pantheons
of god-deities, moving from a polytheic to a monotheic structure in
the process.

This time though is different.

Humanity, instead of grasping at yet another religion that they are
offered as a pre-packaged system of "belief" that does all thinking
for you, and which conveniently simply comes their way, this time
people around the world wish only to grasp Truth, Freedom and
Enlightenment, thus fulfilling the next great evolutionary step
from a monotheic deity based doctrine, to a realisation that the
True God is not after all a deity, but rather the Source of All
Creation in the Universe of Which we are an Inseparable Aspect and
Divine Expression instead of being a subservient slave to it.

These will endure through Eternity, because the foundations are
have been built by Source and are therefore Eternal - foundations
that cannot and must not be buried, ever again, by those who follow
the dark forces, the forces that are "anti to Christ" - the Highest
Energy and Embodiment of Freedom, Truth and Unconditional Love.

Ultimately absolute Truth is enduring where all else to the
contrary sooner or later must fall as all others inexorably have.

When referring to religion, I do not include Buddhism, Hinduism or
Taoism - these are cultures, ways of life, built upon a solid and
virtuous foundation of Truth, that neither seeks to control,
dis-empower, or disconnect from the Light, their adherents.

Quite the contrary in fact - these are noble, worthy ways of life
that seek to empower, to and to provide a path to Source, God
through Understanding and effort supported by Divine Freewill.

So what then of the "Nativity" - an icon of Christmas in recent
centuries.

The creation of the Nativity must been seen against the backdrop of
how the Roman Church originally came in to being in the first place.

The ultimate agenda of Emperor "Saint Constantine" was to create an
alternative mode of far reaching power and control over the Roman
Empire and beyond, in the face of the crumbling Imperial Army and
global territories and in the face of increasing resistance by
various groups of "barbarians" who were rapidly eroding the Roman
Empire through force.

This process was a visible manifestation of Cause and Effect in
that the Roman Imperial Army originally took these lands which did
not belong to them by force.

Saint Constantine was ruthless - he even executed his own eldest
son - but a brilliant strategist, and he realised that the one thing
everyone feared more then any other was their "gods" or "deities".

Ultimately the entire course of humanity, and of their greatest
achievements such as the great pyramids of Mesoamerica can be
traced to how they perceived and approached their "gods", and most
importantly how these "gods" could be "appeased" and "on their side",
instead of incurring their mighty "wrath" of these deity "Gods" in
the form of great storms, crop failures, famines, draughts and so on.

The measure of their fear can be observed in the monumental efforts
and achievement, often in the form of massive pyramids constructed
from stone blocks so heavy that even the largest cranes today could
not lift them, positioning them hundreds of feet in the air with
geometric precision.

How ancient races such as the Egyptians, Maya and Teotihuacano's
achieved these "super-human" feats is still unknown to this day.

Fear of the blessings or vengeance of Gods or God is an extremely
powerful, primal force, which Constantine was very familiar with.

To Constantine God was a powerful "weapon" to bring humans to their
knees and believe and do almost anything to remain in favour -
especially after the misinformation they perpetuated about the
nature of "death", and in particular the false doctrine of "hell"
and of "satan" or "Lucifer".

As we have already determined in a previous newsletter, the true
identity of "Lucifer" is the Human Ego Mind which, in the
beginning, became detached from the Christ Mind of Source, that the
Luciferian Human Ego Mind could, through the ongoing process of
Perfection through Experience granted through Freewill, to
Ultimately return the Christ Mind from Whence it originally came.

The creation of the Canon of the New Testament was the result of
the efforts of the Constantine to rally the hitherto followers of
the pagan deities around this new "Christ figure" known as Yeshua,
who was the most recent, and convenient respected teacher in the
area of the time some 350 years before, resulting in plenty of
separate but scattered texts that could be made in to the basis, or
canon of a "new religion" based on fear, power and control.

So all Constantine needed to do now was how to make the "new
religion" palatable to the Romans, on the basis that once it had been
accepted by the Romans it would likely be accepted throughout the
world - they would of course force it upon what remains of their
Empire threat of death - a policy that became a trademark of the
Roman church for centuries to come.

So all the Roman Church under Constantine needed to do was to
"graft" on to the beginning and end of the Yeshua "story" of the "new
religion",sequences of events that would be most acceptable to
the majority of Romans, and in turn to the remainder of the world.

Constantine had zero regard for Jesus, Yeshua, except as an
instrument of control and power.

The Romans at this time worshipped the deity Mithra, their Sun god,
the story of whom had followed the same sequence of mythology for
thousands of years - 15 times previously in fact, commencing with
Osiris in Ancient Egypt.

The other ploy was to then replace the Mithraic pagan festivals
with the new Roman Church corresponding festivals, based upon the
fact that everything in the middle would take care of itself, and
the festivals that the Romans had become accustomed to may continue.

So this then is precisely what happened.

As an aside, another very long story, the Gospels of the Bible
became hopelessly corrupted in a very short time indeed.

The "Apostles" - Matthew, Mark, Luke and John - had most likely
already "passed on" before the Gospels were placed on paper by person
or persons unknown, but who in any event spoke Ancient Greek as
their native language and not the Aramaic of Jesus or Disciples.

Jesus, being born to a Jewish family, spoke Aramaic which is
completely different to Greek. Aramaic is a poetic language that
can be perceived, understood and interpreted in many different ways
depending on the reader - much like the Bible itself in fact. So
Aramaic must always be taken in a proper context, and never
literally as the Greek speaking authors of Matthew, Mark, Luke and
John, most clearly did.

Of course by then the true context was long gone, so there were no
longer any points of reference - but this was of no relevance to
Constantine, because he created his own "interpretation" in
accordance with his global controlling ambitions which proved to be
extremely successful. Even Constantine could never have envisaged
over one billion people prostrating themselves before this
instrument of control and fear he created from one of the very
greatest teachers of the Light and the Truth that ever walked the
planet - Jesus - Jeshua - a Divine embodiment of the Christ Light
Energy of our Source.

We also have to take in to account that the life and teachings of
Jesus must have been handed down by mouth through stories through
anecdotes which, like the party game "Chinese Whispers" will no
doubt have been distorted, glorified and embellished in the process.

So whoever wrote down the texts of what would become the original
Gospels, probably lost most of the true life and times of Yeshua -
the true Jewish name of "Jesus", which was the Greek name assigned
to him, right there, and much of Yeshua's true teachings lost in
transliteration upon transliteration, misinterpretation, by
misinterpretation, deliberate alteration by deliberate alteration.

Later it was transliterated to Latin and eventually into medieval
English which is where it remains today for effect. All those
"thee's, thou's, hath's" etc sound much more convincing than their
modern day English equivalents which would not have the same
mystery about them.

It is all of an immense, extremely clever but equally damaging ploy.

But anyway, the Roman Church removed parts and changed parts down
through the centuries to support their own agenda of power and
control, so any overall representation of the teachings of Jesus
were completely corrupted and all but meaningless except to those
who were equipped to see the deeper meanings of the words of Jesus
which the theologians never did or could see - and neither were
they intended to - Jesus said this himself:

"And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto
them in parables? He answered and said unto them, Because it is
given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but
to them it is not given. For whosoever hath, to him shall be given,
and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him
shall be taken away even that he hath. Therefore speak I to them in
parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not,
neither do they understand. And in them is fulfilled the prophecy
of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not
understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive, For
this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of
hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they
should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should
understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should
heal them". But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears,
for they hear. For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and
righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and
have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and
have not heard them. Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower."
--Matthew 13:10-18

Yes - the Prophecy of Isaiah was certainly fulfiled as Yeshua said
- and Constantine was the vehicle of that fulfilment.

So from a fundamental perspective, the New Testament became totally
corrupted, even it it represented an accurate account of biblical
events in the region to start with which is highly doubtful - much
of it would have been myth, glorifications of events and anecdote.

The Old Testament remains pure and true to its roots, because it
remains mostly totally unchanged and continuous in its original
Hebrew, with no apparent hidden agenda attached, and to this extent
remains faithful to Abraham - the father of all Abramic doctrines.

The same therefore applies to the books of the Jewish religion
which remain true to their roots - Abraham - for the same reason.

But then let us take a look at the Nativity a little more closely.

Did the "birth" event take place in Bethlehem?

Almost certainly not.

This myth became necessary due to a "prophecy" hundreds of year
before by the Jewish King David, which stated that the "messiah" or
"saviour" would be born in Bethlehem.

It was almost certain, based upon historical evidence, that Jesus
was actually born in Nazareth, which is the real reason he is known
as "Jesus of Nazareth".

It was felt necessary to ensure the prophecy of David be seen to
have come to pass, in order that his authenticity as the "messiah"
could later be established from his Jewish roots.

The "census" that Jesus and Mary went to Bethlehem for according to
the story is a myth. The Romans held their first census about 250
years later, and in any case why would Nazarene people be required
to travel to Bethlehem many miles away? It makes no sense at all.

Was Jesus a "virgin" birth of his mother Mary?

This is obviously a very, very sensitive subject. The actual
recorded history of the region is very telling. The most likely
answer, by far to the point of being all but certain is - no - this
was not a virgin birth.

The likely circumstances of the conception would shock too many
people, and is in any case moot, and in no way diminishes the
standing of Mary as a person.

Was Joseph the Father - almost certainly not.

Being an unmarried mother in that era, regardless of how and why, was
considered shameful, and so families rally round to conceal the
true circumstances of a pregnancy in order to save family honour
and against any possible reprisals by bigots and others.

There is also rather glaring evidence to suggest that considerable
effort was made to establish Joseph's relationship to Yeshua at the
start of the Gospel of Matthew with  all the generations of Joseph
being meticulously listed until finally in Matthew 1:16 we find:

"And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born
Jesus, who is called Christ".

Now surely we are being led to believe that this was a "virgin"
birth?

If this was the case, Joseph could not, by that logic, have been the
genetic father.

So why spend the first 16 pages of Matthew establishing Joseph's
relationship to Jesus who was "born of Joseph" when the fundamental
basis of the Christian doctrine is that Jesus was "born" of God
through the "Holy Spirit" - Universal Life Energy.

This was however such a popular theme that even in the Star Wars
Movies, Anakin Skywalker was apparently a "virgin birth" of his
mother Shmi through the "Force" - Universal Life Energy.

This is, whether the author realises or not, an excellent metaphor
for the Roman Church Synthesis and therefore how they viewed
themselves.

Anakin Skywalker was turned to the "dark side of the force" and
became "Darth Vader", and we all know what happened then.

Darth vader created the dark Galactic Empire under the control of the
"dark side" - the dark forces.

Could Emperor "Saint Constantine, who was purporting to be a force
for good in the Roman Empire - after all - he was "canonised" - be
really a metaphor for the way Galactic Senator Palpatine - the
early days of Constantine - to "Darth Sidious" - the "dark lord of
the Sith" who wrought terror, darkness and oppression throughout
the Empire.

Darth Sidious never hesitated to kill anyone who got in his way -
even those on his dark side, just as he wanted Luke Skywalker to
kill Darth Vader - just as Constantine later executed his own son.

Later, when all seemed hopeless, and the forces for the Light - the
Jedi Knights - had been all but destroyed - out of the darkness
came Skywalker and defeated the dark side of the force, so the
Light could once again be allowed to illuminate the Empire.

Yes this is an allegory - whether the author knew it or not - but
you can be absolutely sure it is no "coincidence".

So much of the early parts of each Gospel, particularly Matthew
which used 16 pages establishing an erroneous connection to Jesus,
is simply "smoke screen" designed only to perpetuate the myth.

For the sake of completeness we should also note the fact that not
only could the "Apostles" not have written the Gospels, they could
neither have been present at Yeshua's birth to record the events
unless they were small, literate toddlers, and in any case Yeshua
did not choose them until he was around 30 years old himself, which
leaves the entire birth sequence in the Gospels without any known
author or witness whatsoever - which is not surprising because the
only witnesses were likely Joseph, their families and any helpers
in the birth process.

Was Mary a virtuous young lady - probably yes - I do not believe
anyone doubts this, and there is no evidence to suggest otherwise.

Mary was probably a victim of "circumstance" and it must have been
extremely traumatic for her to say the least, as well as for Joseph
and the whole family.

Was Jesus laid down to sleep in a "manger".

Absolutely he may well have been.

But was he therefore laid to sleep in a cattle feeding trough?

Highly unlikely to say the least.

"Manger" is just another in an endless list of mis-transliterations
- deliberate or otherwise.

In fact "manger" in the language of the region at the time is a
special room in a often large home, usually associated with the upper
echelons of the society at the time.

So it is most likely that the pregnant Mary, by another man,
although not intentionally, was with her family in Nazareth with
Joseph, until the baby who was given the name of Yeshua, was born
in the "manger" room of the home where he "laid" after his birth.

Joseph and Mary may however have known of his future greatness
through the name they gave to him which was probably inspired.

"Yeshua" in fact is still a derivative of the Aramaic speaking family
name given to him of "Yehoshua".

Yehoshua in Aramaic consists of two fundamental components as
follows:

"Yeho" which invokes the Tetragrammaton - YHVH or IHVH:

Yod-Heh-Vahv-Heh

Which is a mystical Kabbalistic name of God.

In the Jewish religion, the orthodoxy never write the full name
"God" lest what they have written become corrupted, for which they
felt responsible for the consequences, so they prefer to write God
as "G-d".

Often however they get around this by using other words of the same
meaning such as "Adonai", which is the plural of "Adon" which in
turn translates to "Lord" or "Master".

"Shua" is an Aramaic word which can be considered to mean "Saviour".

So the name "Yehoshua" can be understood to mean "Saviour from
God".

This is no coincidence. It was concealed from most.

Yehoshua was indeed intended to be the "saviour" of humanity as
humanity was at that time - pagans unprepared for the coming
Transition - to prepare them 2000 years in advance.

"The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of
the age; and the reapers are the angels." Matthew 13:39

Here Jesus is advising that the agency that "sowed" the
consequences are dark thoughts, i.e. "the devil", and when the
"harvest" comes at the end of the age the "reapers" will be the
Beings of Light where only those who are ready can go.

Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into
the sea, and gathered of every kind: which, when it was filled,
they drew up on the beach; and they sat down, and gathered the good
into vessels, but the bad they cast away. So shall it be in the end
of the age: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from
among the righteous, And shall cast them into the furnace of fire:
there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Jesus saith unto
them, Have ye understood all these things? They say unto him, Yea,
Lord. -- Matthew 13:49 - 51

Here Jesus is saying quite clearly and unambiguously that those who
are Spiritually prepared will move onwards and inwards to greater
things within the Universe, Universal Mind of God, whereas those
who are not ready will be very upset about missing the opportunity,
and will have to be cast back in to the furnace of learning in the
physical Universe in readiness for the next opportunity. And hence
those who are ready will be separated from those who are not.

keep in Mind that 2000 years from a 25,800 year cycle is not that
long.

And Yeshua did warn his disciples that the forces of darkness may
well attempt to hijack his Divine Mission:

"As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, his disciples came to
him privately and said, "Tell us, when will this happen? What will
be the sign that you are coming again, and when will the Age come
to an end? Jesus answered them, "Be careful not to let anyone
deceive you. For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ;
and shall deceive many. And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of
wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come
to pass, but the end is not yet.

For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:
and there shall be famines, and p

Hi,

Does Adrian want us to throw out every level of truth except his take on truth that we are all one/we are all God? 

A truth that is important can be realized at many levels, much as the Aramaic language itself apparently was.  It is not necessary to choose one level and dismiss the rest, for the truth carries throughout.  Each of us may find a level or two that we are more comfortable with and need reminders or instruction for the others, but Truth is still truth, regardless of any single limited viewpoint.

I'm not saying that I understand every event in the Gospels, but I do think the Nativity is a beautiful story/event/ beginning of a new age then. Why "throw out the baby with the bath water"?

Bets

http://www.candlegrove.com/solstice.html

The link above will explain the winter solstice. Before there was christianity, there was paganism. Paganism lasted longer than 2,000 years. The original winter celebration was to ward away the darkness and ask the daylight to come back.  (I have no idea what the Eskomos did in upper North America, Greenland, Iceland and upper Russia when they had months at a time in darkness.)  Anyhow, if you look at most of the Christian holidays, they coincied with the pagan traditions, falling close to the 1/4 yearly events; spring, summer, autumn and winter.

When I was a kid-- the "Virgin conception" was explained thusly: the spirit of an angel of God passed through Mary's physical leaving behind the spiritual seed of God in her womb. The virgin birth happened when these same spirits of angels of God reached into Mary's womb and pulled the child out, henceforth keeping her a virgin.

So, who actually has the pagan mind? The Catholic church whose men wanted to keep its followers under controll with "mysteries" of the virgin conception and birth?  Or the pagans who believed that by scrafice and worship they could bring back the summer light??

cat

I'd like to add, when it comes to the virgin birth thing, I haven't received information one way or the other.  I don't believe it is necessary for a birth to take place in such a way. Nothing wrong with getting pregnant in the usual way.

I feel differently about the crucifixion, because according to the messages I received, Jesus was crucified. Therefore, if somebody states differently, I wonder why. 

Regarding the viewpoint that Jesus died for our sins,  perhaps he opened up a spiritual gateway that wasn't opened up by a human being before. Once one person reaches this level, it becomes easier for other people to do the same.  We're all connected. I doubt that such an occurence would be dependent upon Jesus' body being crucified.

A lot of people have considered Jesus' crucifixion to be an important event. I can't judge what's important for them. Different people get inspired in different ways. Going by my experiences lower realms exist. If some people avoided a lower realm partly because they believed in Jesus, I figure this is a good thing. If the crucifixion is a part of the reason they feel good about Jesus, this is for them to decide, not me.  I figure the divine powers that be realize that people get inspired in various ways. They might've realized that many people will respond to a historical event that stands out. How have things worked out?

Betson:

Thank you for sharing your confirmation. I can't explain it, but I like that you wrote "I can't explain it."


betson wrote on Dec 29^th, 2008 at 5:03pm:

Another perspective:

TEXT OF READING 5749-15

This Psychic Reading given by Edgar Cayce at the office of the Association, Arctic Crescent, Virginia Beach, Va., this 22nd day of June, 1941, at the Tenth Annual Congress of the Ass''n for Research & Enlightenment, Inc.

P R E S E N T

Edgar Cayce; Gertrude Cayce, Conductor; Gladys Davis, Steno. Gladys & Charles Dillman, Fannie L. & J. Floyd Leonard, Malcolm Allen, Florence Edmonds, Minnie & C. A. Barrett, Beatrice & Richmond Seay, Gladys Hardin, Frances Y. Morrow, Hannah & Noah Miller, Mignon Helms, Shea Hurley, Sallie Jones, Alberta Burmeister, Henrietta McClelland, Kathryn Patterson, Willie L. & Katherine McAllister, Sally Taylor, Marion Wolfe, Marsden Godfrey, Helen Storey, Esther Wynne, Jane Williams, Ruth & Jeanne LeNoir, Burt Davis, Mae Verhoeven, Riley Simmons, Doris House, Ethel & Edgar Parry, Rosa & Joshua Manning, Ruth Denney, Lucille, David, S. David & Richard Kahn, Thomas Sugrue, Hugh Lynn Cayce and others.

R E A D I N G

Time of Reading 3:40 to 4:35 P. M. Eastern Standard Time.

1. GC: You will have before you the enquiring mind of the entity Thomas Sugrue, present in this room, who seeks a continuation of information given on the life of the Master and its history in the material world, given in Readings of June 27, 1937 [5749-7 and 5749-8]. Because of the purpose for which this information is to be used, he asks at this time for a description of a literary nature of certain events in the life of the Master which are known to us in outline but not in detail. You will give these as presented, - first the birth of the Master at Bethlehem beginning with the arrival of Mary and Joseph at the Inn. You will include such details as weather, time, conversation with Inn Keeper, number of people at the Inn, types they represented, recreations and occupations engaged in during the evening, what was being eaten and drunk, whether the guests knew the Child was being born, actual time of birth, etc.

2. EC: Yes, we have the information that has been indicated respecting some of the events surrounding the birth of Jesus, the son of Mary, in Bethlehem of Judea.

3. The purposes are well known, for which the journey was made in the period. The activities of Joseph are well known. The variation or difference in their ages is not so oft dealt upon. Neither is there much indicated in sacred or profane history as to the preparation of the mother for that channel through which immaculate conception might take place. And this, the immaculate conception, is a stumblingstone to many worldly-wise.

4. The arrival was in the evening, - not as counted from the Roman time, nor that declared to Moses by God when the second passover was to be kept, nor that same time which was in common usage even in that land, but what would NOW represent January sixth.

5. The weather was cool, and there were crowds on the way. For, it was only a sabbath day's journey from Jerusalem. There were great crowds of people on the way from the hills of Judea.

6. The people were active in the occupations of the varied natures in that unusual land. Some were carpenters, - as those of the house of Joseph, who had been delayed, even on the journey, by the condition of the Mother. Some in the group were helpers to Joseph, - carpenters' helpers. Then there were shepherds, husbandmen, and the varied groups that had their small surroundings as necessitated by the conditions of the fields about Nazareth.

7. In the evening then, or at twilight, Joseph approached the Inn, that was filled with those who had also journeyed there on their way to be polled for the tax as imposed by the Romans upon the people of the land. For, those had been sent out who were to judge the abilities of the varied groups to be taxed. And each individual was required by the Roman law to be polled in the city of his birth.

8. Both Joseph and Mary were members of the sect called the Essenes; and thus they were questioned by those not only in the political but in the religious authority in the cities.

9. Then there was the answer by the inn keeper, "No room in the inn," especially for such an occasion. Laughter and jeers followed, at the sight of the elderly man with the beautiful girl, his wife, heavy with child.

10. Disappointments were written upon not only the face of Joseph but the inn keeper's daughter, as well as those of certain groups about the inn. For, many saw the possibilities of an unusual story that might be gained if the birth were to take place in the inn. Also there was consternation outside, among those who had heard that Joseph and Mary had arrived and were not given a room. They began to seek some place, some shelter.

11. For, remember, many of those - too - were of that questioned group; who had heard of that girl, that lovely wife of Joseph who had been chosen by the angels on the stair; who had heard of what had taken place in the hills where Elizabeth had gone, when there was the visit from the cousin - and as to those things which had also come to pass in her experience. Such stories were whispered from one to another.

12. Thus many joined in the search for some place. Necessity demanded that some place be sought - quickly. Then it was found, under the hill, in the stable - above which the shepherds were gathering their flocks into the fold.

13. There the Savior, the Child was born; who, through the will and the life manifested, became the Savior of the world - that channel through which those of old had been told that the promise would be fulfilled that was made to EVE; the arising again of another like unto Moses; and as given to David, the promise was not to depart from that channel. But lower and lower man's concept of needs had fallen.

14. Then, - when hope seemed gone, - the herald angels sang. The star appeared, that made the wonderment to the shepherds, that caused the awe and consternation to all of those about the Inn; some making fun, some smitten with conviction that those unkind things said must needs be readjusted in their relationships to things coming to pass.

15. All were in awe as the brightness of His star appeared and shone, as the music of the spheres brought that joyful choir, "PEACE ON EARTH! GOOD WILL TO MEN OF GOOD FAITH."

16. ALL felt the vibrations and saw a great light, - not only the shepherds above that stable but those in the Inn as well.

17. To be sure, those conditions were later to be dispelled by the doubters, who told the people that they had been overcome with wine or what not.

18. Just as the midnight hour came, there was the birth of the Master.

19. The daughter of the inn keeper was soon upon the scene, as was the mother of the daughter, and the shepherds that answered the cry - and had gone to see what was come to pass.

20. Those were the manners, and the ones present soon afterwards. For, through the period of purification the Mother remained there, not deeming it best to leave, though all forms of assistance were offered; not leaving until there was the circumcision and the presenting in the temple to the magi, to Anna and to Simeon.

21. Such were the surroundings at the period of the birth of Jesus.

22. (Q) The first recorded miracle at the wedding in Cana of Galilee when the Master changed water into wine. The entity desires again such details as weather, names of people in wedding, food and drink, games and dances, etc.
(A) A great deal of that leading to the experience, to be sure, is being skipped over. For, that came about soon after the return of the Master from the Jordan, and his dwelling by the sea, his conversation with Peter - after Andrew had told Peter of the happenings at the Jordan; and there was the wedding in Cana of Galilee.

The girl was a relative of those close to the Mother of Jesus, who prepared the wedding feast - as was the custom in that period, and is yet among those of the Jewish faith who adhere to the traditions as well as custom of those people chosen as the channel because of their purpose with God.

The girl to be wed was a daughter of the cousin of Mary, a daughter of a younger sister of Elizabeth, whose name was also Mary. And she was the one spoken of as "the other Mary," and not as some have supposed. [See 2946-3 on 6/18/43 verifying this.]

The customs required that there be a feast, which was composed of the roasted lamb with the herbs, the breads that had been prepared in the special ways as were the custom and tradition of those who followed close to the faith in Moses' law, Moses' custom, Moses' ordinances.

The families of Mary were present, as well as those of the groom.

The groom, in the name Roael, was among the sons of Zebedee; being an elder brother of James and John who later became the close friends and the closer followers of Jesus.

The Master, returning with those who were hangers-on, naturally sought to speak with His mother. Learning of this happening He, too, with the followers, were bid to remain at the feast.

Much wine also was part of the custom. The day was what ye would call June third. There were plenty of flowers and things of the field, yet only a part of those things needed. For, the custom called for more of the meats prepared with certain herbs, and wines.

The day had been fine; the evening was fair; the moon was full. This then brought the activities with the imbibing more and more of wine, more hilarity, and the dance - which was in the form of the circles that were a part of the customs, not only of that land then but that are in your own land now and then being revived.

With those activities, as indicated, the wine ran low. Remember, the sons of Zebedee were among those of the upper class, as would be termed; not the poorer ones. Thence the reason why Mary served or prepared for her relative the feast.

From those happenings that were a portion of her experience upon their return from Egypt, - as to how the increase had come in the food when they had been turned aside as they journeyed back towards the Promised Land, - Mary felt, knew, was convinced within herself that here again there might be such an experience, with her son returning as a man starting upon his mission. For, what was the pronouncement to the mother when Gabriel spoke to her? What was the happening with Elizabeth when the mother spoke to her?

This might be called a first period of test. For, had He not just ten days ago sent Satan away, and received ministry from the angels? This had come to be known as hearsay. Hence the natural questioning of the mother-love for the purposes; this son - strange in many ways had chosen, by the dwelling in the wilderness for the forty days, and then the returning to the lowly people, the fishermen, about this country. It brought on the questioning by the mother.

23. We are through for the present."

 Interestingly, this unusual source once referenced that not only was Yeshua "virgin born", but that there have been other "virgin births" in this world, though it did not list them, besides Yeshua's own mother, Miriam who also was said to have been born of a woman who did not sleep with a man to become pregnant.  

  Actually, there seemed to be two different kinds of virgin births as outlined in the readings.   One that is apparently ascribed to a seeming "past" life of Cayce himself as "Ra Tah", was rather from E.T. influence.  Course the Readings don't outright say this, but rather reference to the "Gods of the Caspian mountains" and their influence in Ra Tah's birth.  Perhaps because of his extra E.T. genetics, or their manipulation of his genes, he was born rather unusual, and was the first true White/Caucasian man in the Earth.   Interestingly enough, some genetic scientists from Denmark through their genetic research now believe that the first true white folks with blue eyes originated some 9,000 years ago or so (don't remember their exact number as this is from memory and something read awhile ago).   This is fairly close to the timeline of Ra Tah as given by the source of these readings.

 In other readings, Cayce's source seems to refer to E.T.'s and their influences.  One Life Reading for a woman who was a Mayan, referenced to "visitors from other worlds" in flying ships visiting the Earth at that period.  

 The other type of "virgin birth", seems to be different, a wholly spiritual/Spirit occurrence, such as Cayce seems to ascribe to Yeshua and his mother.   His source seemed to indicate that this was possible because of the degree of spiritual developement of both parties, AND because they were "Twin Souls" from the beginning of their Earth involvement.  
In another reading, it said that eventually humanity would spiritually evolve to the point that such births without pre-copulation would become more common in this world.  

 I do agree with Albert that belief in a virgin birth is not all that important.  However, i find these readings extremely interesting.   I find it interesting that a number of seeming "revelatory" info found in Bruce Moen's work, is actually found much earlier in Cayce's work, though worded different.   Such as the concept of a true Soul personality death in the "afterlife".  

 Perhaps that is because truth is ultimately universal in nature, and more spiritually/PUL attuned sources tap into deeper, more accurate, broad, and universal info?

More on immaculate conception and the virgin birth:

"(The immaculate conception has) much more to do with the mental and spiritual aspects than the physical; though the body should be near to perfect coordination physically for such to be consummated in a body, and high mental and spiritual aspirations, desires, and purposes."
Reading 2072-3


"23. (Q) Explain the immaculate conception.
(A) As flesh is the activity of the mental being (or the spiritual self and mental being) pushing itself into matter, and as spirit - as He gave - is neither male nor female, they are then both - or one.

And when man had reached that period of the full separation from Creative Forces in the spirit, then flesh as man knows it today became in material plane a reality.

Then, the immaculate conception is the physical and mental so attuned to spirit as to be quickened by same.

Hence the spirit, the soul of the Master then was brought into being through the accord of the Mother in materiality that ye know in the earth as conception...

  27. (Q) Does the immaculate conception, as explained, concern the coming of Mary to Anne, or Jesus to Mary?
(A) Of Jesus to Mary.

28. (Q) Was Mary immaculately conceived?
(A) Mary was immaculately conceived. [See 2067-11, Par. 9-A.]..."
Reading 5749-7


"13. (Q) Is the teaching of the Roman Catholic Church that Mary was without original sin from the moment of her conception in the womb of Ann, correct?
(A) It would be correct in ANY case. Correct more in this. For, as for the material teachings of that just referred to, you see: In the beginning Mary was the twin-soul of the Master in the entrance into the earth!...

See, there was no belief in the fact that Ann proclaimed that the child was without father. It's like many proclaiming today that the Master was immaculately conceived; they say "Impossible!" They say that it isn't in compliance with the natural law. It IS a natural law, as has been indicated by the projection of mind into matter and thus making of itself a separation to become encased in same - as man did.

Then, that there has been an encasement was a beginning. Then there must be an end when this must be or may be broken; and this began at that particular period. Not the only - this particular period with Ann and then the Master AS the son; but the ONLY begotten of the Father in the flesh AS a son OF an immaculately conceived daughter! [See 5749-8, Par. R1.]

15. (Q) Neither Mary nor Jesus, then, had a human father?
(A) Neither Mary nor Jesus had a human father. They were one SOUL so far as the earth is concerned; because [else] she would not be incarnated in flesh, you see. [See 2067-11, Par. 9-A.]"
Reading 5749-8


"55. (Q) Please give that information concerning immaculate conception that can be given for me.
(A) As the spirit was made manifest in the body purified by consecration of purpose in the lives manifested in the earth, so might the spirit - with the brooding of the body itself - bring to the organs of flesh a body through which the spirit may itself manifest in the earth.

Remember those forms which have been given. First, He was created - brought into being from all that there was in the earth, as an encasement for the soul of an entity, a part of the Creator; knowing separation in death. Then He was made manifest in birth through the union of channels growing out of that thought of the Creator made manifest, but so expressed, so manifested as Enoch as to merit the escaping of death - which had been the result as the law of disobedience. He was made manifest in Melchizedek by desire alone, not knowing body, not knowing mind, - save its own; brought into being in materialization as of itself; passing from materialization in the same manner. Then there was perfected that period again in BODY when the other soul or portion of self was made manifest by the consecration of the mother; meeting then self by that same quickening power as had been made manifest in the beginning - or at first.

Hence the cycle. Hence the circle. Hence the emblem of same becomes as the channel through which such takes its form, its expression, its symbol."
Reading 2072-4


This next one is taken from the book called, "The Edgar Cayce Companion"  I looked for the excerpt in the actual readings and can't find it, so i believe the author made a mistake when he listed it as reading 1904-2, but i'm sure the text for the excerpt does exist somewhere in the readings.

  "Mary had fulfilled all things that God had required of her and later fulfilled her physical karma by bearing three other children by Man.  In bringing perfection by balancing the spiritual, mental and physical in her own activities she made it possible for all women to have that opportunity..."
  supposedly reading 1904-2

  "Souls will evolve into the manner to be able to bring into the world souls, even as Mary did.
  And these may come as the Souls of men and women become more and more aware that these channels, these temples of the body are indeed the temple of the living God and may be used for those communications with God, the Father of souls of men."
excerpted from reading 1158-5