Note that Mr. Monroe was a still in physical being, and that Rosiland's guidance energies were rather far removed from same (one of the very reasons none of them wanted to give any names, for it would tend to pull them into such earthly energies).   Perhaps that is one of the reasons of the difference in interpretation?  It can be hard to be completely objective when you are very close and emotionally involved with something. 

  I quite enjoy physical life Dude, but i never forget that it is ultimately an illusion and one that i need to transcend by being as loving and non material oriented as i can.  It is not easy to break such patterns while still focused in same, and probably why there aren't many more Yeshua types running around in this world.   

  It seems you are blinding yourself to Roberts/Seth's lack of credibility because you are emotionally invested in the material.   Your Greater self perhaps led you to it initially because it realized that some concepts in same might help to expand certain mental aspects, however maybe it didn't mean for you to get so attached to it? 

  Have you tried that experiment yet?   If you turned out to be very off about Yeshua according to your own experiences as you have admitted, could it not be that you are off about Seth/Roberts too?

Say you had a professor who told you that Abraham Lincoln wasn't assasinated. You looked into his reason for believing this, and found that he was mistaken. Would you consider him to be a trustworthy professor, or a man who gets carried away with his theories? Jane Roberts/Seth didn't simply say Jesus wasn't crucified and leave it at that. Jane Roberts/Seth had a very detailed and faulty explanation as to why Jesus supposedly wasn't crucified. More than a little confusion is involved.

As I've written before, because Jane Roberts/Seth chose to speak of Jesus in an inaccurate way, I'm not interested. I figure I gain much more by allowing myself to be a person who has love and respect for beings such as Jesus, than I would by reading material from a source that purposely misrepresents him. It isn't about being open minded. It is about opening your heart to having reverence and respect for a being such as Christ, and not allowing sources to get away with misrepresenting him.

Regarding it not making sense that over twenty books served the purpose of undermining Jesus, I believe it was more of a matter of Jane Roberts and her husband serving themselves. Even if a misleading entity was involved, it wouln't be necessary for this entity to say false things about Jesus for twenty volumes, in order for it to accomplish its mission. Twenty volumes would serve the purpose of misinforming and brainwashing people in other ways. If a person reads this much material from one source, he or she is bound to get braiwashed eventually.

Regarding Dude knowing better than the rest of us because he has read more Seth books, would it be fair to say that a fundamentalist knows more about Christ's teachings than one of us, because a fundamentalist has studied the subject more fervently? It is certainly possible that a person gave up on Seth early on, because he or she was able to see what Seth is about early on. Should a person be required to read numerous books about a source he (or she) found to be questionable early on, so some day down the road he can say that he read numerous books by this false source?

When it comes to Rosalind Mcknight's book contending that this World is the result of a mistake, Justin and I don't agree with this conclusion.  An oversoul/disk incarnates small portions of itself into this World, while the rest of it remains in the spirit World. It is more of a matter of what it needs to learn, than getting stuck. I believe too much thought was put into creating life in this World, for it to be a big mistake.  It is important to remember that from an oversoul's viewpoint all incarnations happen at the same time. Therefore, how much can getting stuck be a factor?

Justin

I now have a better understanding of what you were saying.  I still disagree, but there's nothing wrong with that, what works for me works for me and what works for you works for you. 

I fully realize the issues regarding Seth's credibility.  I do not feel I am overly attached, however.  You heard her speak as Seth and thought, she must be faking it, her voice is over exaggerated.  I heard her speak as Seth and thought, thats interesting.  I wonder why she sounds like that.  I am not jumping to any conclusions because I really don't know the answers.  Maybe she is faking it.  Maybe she isn't.  I am simply reading this material and taking what I need from it.  This is what I do with all the sources I read. 

If Monroe said he travelled to the past and saw that the crucifixion was as Seth said, many people would probably discredit his entire work just as they are doing here with Seth.  This does not mean Monroe is dishonest, it does not necessarily mean he is wrong, and it certainly doesn't mean the rest of his work is bogus. 

I have already stated my reasons for giving Seth credibility, and these reasons are undeniable.  I am left believing that Seth had a good grasp on the nature of reality and worthy motives, although he was not a perfect being, and having to communicate through Roberts, mistakes have obviously been made in the material.

I wouldn't say I am too emotionally invested in this material.  I am emotionally invested in the search for greater knowledge.  I feel I see the material quite objectively, for I have gained knowledge and read things that others have obviously missed, and yet its all there in black and white for anyone to see.

I have come to a conclusion.  We could debate this topic for our entire lives.  I understand that not everyone here agrees with the Seth material.  This is fine.  I cannot see myself putting any more energy into this debate, as it is taking away from where my energy should be going. Everyone has their own unique way of finding the truth.  If you do not trust a source, then that is your choice and I respect that.  No ones beliefs are ever really changed from these debates anyway, although they can introduce ideas which can be explored when the individual is ready.  I realize Seth does not offer absolute truth, but this does not mean I cannot benefit from his work.

I was wondering what I would read after I finish Bruce's 4th book. Thanks to this thread I have a lot to choose from--thanks to all.

Beau:

I don't know what you've read. Perhaps Robert Monroe's Ultimate Journey. Read a bunch near death experiences. More than anything, rely on yourself. Have you made contact with your higher self/spirit guidance?


Beau wrote on Jan 6^th, 2009 at 2:51pm:

  Hi Beau,

  I had a similar thought as Albert/Recoverer.  Even if I believed Seth was a credible and helpful source, I would still say that it's more important and fulfilling to go within for your own answers. 

   And even in my debating with OOBD, i told him not to take my word and beliefs for it, but that it would be helpful to do deep within to get his answers.   

  This is what Bruces work is all about btw, and especially his last book.  It seems he doesn't want his info to just become another belief system, but more an inspiration to explore for oneself.  And he gives a pretty good set of tools and frame of reference to work from.   

  So why not go within instead?