Sometimes I get a feeling when I look at a site, and I don't get a good feeling when I look Val Valerian based sites. When something doesn't feel right, I wonder if it makes sense to keep reading.

Perhaps telling people that this information is for people on their final incarnation, is a way of fluffing people's egos so they'll stick around. People look for self worth in various ways.

Justin,
"My sense is that there is quite a bit of truth in this material, but like all good disinfo, it injects limiting/false concepts in with the more truthful aspects--there is an old saying that pertains to this, "Half truths are worse than whole lies for they can deceive even the Soul"."

You speak of limiting/false aspects, yet you qoute a saying that portrays the indestructable soul as a possible victim.

"It appears from some initial research that John Grace was quite involved with the U.S. gov. There are forces connected to same that don't want a free, non materialistic, spiritual, and balanced humanity. They would like the Changes not to happen."

If you equate government properties with M5, I don't think you've read that which you are describing.

"One of the primary, core "teachings" in this work is so called nonduality.  The author says that there is a Light and a Dark polarity which are in battle with each other, and that the only way to really graduate is to adopt a neutral, balanced way. However, with a little deeper probing, this source doesn't seem to understand some basic things about Reality, and its being quite dualistic when it claims that there is a Light and a "Dark" polarity that exists."

Easily observed. I know some people who are more into the dark than light, and they view me as a sissy. Too light. Not conforming to their side. As this board is on the lighter side, I'm pretty sure there are those who view me as not light enough, or too dark. Probably confusing that I don't stick to either polarity. Don't know what balance is yet, but I refuse to set camp on either opposite, no matter how unlikeable it is for those who have already set up a camp. "You are either with us, or against us". Nope, doesn't have to be that polaric.
 
"From everything that i've learned and experienced, there isn't really a light and dark polarity. There is only Light, Light,
and more Light which is the original and eternal aspect of Reality."

Duality is a part of the Earth system. Have a look around. High and low, which is easy to understand. With just low being into play, high and the gradation between them wouldn't be available, Which would make for a much poorer palette of experiences possible in this system.

"This is similar to what Bruce teaches about PUL. He says one of the most profound things he has learned, was that Love has no true opposite. There can only be temporary "unLove" experienced."

I think that's comparable to warm/unwarm, because one really likes it warm. Flip side being cold/uncold, and not wanting others to even consider warm.

"You'll notice even from a brief skimming of his site and descriptions, etc. that Val writes with an extremely elitist kind of vibe and manner.  This is to hook those upon a spiritual/metaphysical path, but who haven't gained a lot of maturity or PUL attunement yet."

In my wording; you've compared not liking yeshua to be the same as hurting a puppy, and that those who aren't conforming are spitting in the face of source. What kind of level of maturity and PUL is that?

Different teaching, different way to view the big picture, different beliefs, different teachers, different quality of consciousness...

There a vast field of development within the earth school...  The main one is development toward Love.  Whatever the teaching we fellow or belief, if   it doesn't help the majority of the follower to become more love, it's a waste of time and resources...

Regarding the below:

It kind of bugs me when people claim that Jesus traveled to the East in order to learn, because going by my extensive experience with guru based Eastern teachings, Jesus didn't teach the same thing as the gurus of this World. I've found that non-dual teachings are incomplete and in some ways inaccurate.  I don't believe that Jesus was about finding that there is no such thing as an individual being (soul). I believe he was (and still is) about each soul reaching the point where it can live according to the same love and wisdom that Jesus lives according to. Once we get to the point where we can live completely according to love and the gift of eternal life awaits us, why would we want to think ourselves out of existence? The creative aspect of being isn't a curse when we know how to use it in a wise and loving way. It comes from God just as our awareness does.




Berserk2 wrote on Feb 4^th, 2009 at 10:40pm:

Justin wrote:  "So the material he quotes in the question and answer question wherein the author keeps telling people that they cannot question this source because they are not evolved enough and spoke to them in a very, very overtly belitting manner, is just another ruse of the reviewer?"

Recoverer responds: "Perhaps is somebody suggests such a thing, it is time to find the nearest exit. We should always be free to question. I don't remember the precise details, but I remember finding an article on the internet where Valerian stopped making the public forum accessible, because too many people weren't evolved enough to take part in the discussions.  Such a way of thinking is really cult like in nature."  

Vincent, a sensitive and attuned person does not need to read a book in order to know what the main energies and intents behind it are. 

  One could remote view, or just tune into, while relaxed, any book and/or author and get strong impressions of it. 

  I've practiced remote viewing on a couple occasions, both times contained definite hits.  I've practiced many other various ways of psychically tuning into things and people, and have found that i can do this accurately more often than not. 

  One doesn't need to go OOB to explore or get info nonphysically.   I'm at the point where i'm starting to develop what i call "automatic intuition" wherein i don't have to meditate, or get "visuals" or hear things, etc. to pick up on impressions.

  Its like what Albert was saying when he just barely went to the site and felt an offness.  Same with me years ago, and years ago i didn't know about all the blatantly prejudiced and judgmental stuff he said.  I pointed this aspect out to others, because i don't expect people to just swallow just my psychic impressions.  I try to be "holistic" and Whole brained in All things.

Identcat,
"In this series, does the author explore other incarnations other than to the earth planet?"

Yep.

"And does he/she explain how, because there is no time, the the spirit is "living" all lives simultaneously, therefore we are at the begining of our first incarnation and at the last, also?
Huuuuuummmmmmm------"

Yes, but I won't try to explain the authors experiences. My, perhaps clumsy, view: I tune into the radiowaves having access to lots of different programs at the same time.

Volu wrote on Feb 5^th, 2009 at 6:56pm:


 Volu, i wasn't interested in hearing about your opinion on the matter.  I was specifically asking you, as someone who has read this material, what exactly the author says about this topic, and if you don't mind throwing it in, what he also says about the female gender?


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 I'm not a big fan of fluff either, and am one of the most blunt and direct people i know (a lot of Fire energy in my chart), but there are times for gentleness and diplomacy as well.   I don't believe its constructive to just belittle people and repeatedly tell them that they are not advanced enough to understand something so fly a kite, even if that may be true at times.   If one understands something well enough, they can explain it to a child so that in some way, the child will grasp something of the concept if not the entire paradigm.    

 Here is a list of his question and answer section in the 1st book.  The psychological tactics that said author uses, are very similar to various religious institutions, power/attention hungry Gurus, and other dogmatic, cultish modes and "teachers".   It starts off more balanced and mild, but gets more personally belitting.  

 First, i will share what he wrote to the reviewer of his material:

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 Notice then in the below question-answer he says he never tries to convince or debate with anyone about the validity of his material.   I will highlight that part for your convenience, as well as some other parts i find particuarly interesting.  


Page 379 "You will realize this in time when your spirit matures more."
Page 379 "My material can be found by anyone in the Library on Monroe level 27… or within their Higher Self IF you are a Final Incarnation. Only a Final Incarnation has this complete access."
Page 390 "You are not yet at the level needed to understand that part of the material. Remember, this material is based on a Final Incarnation's perspective."
Page 391 "When you reach Final Incarnation, AND BECOME AWAKENED TO IT, you will understand what I mean."
Page 392 "Any more information… on this topic will have to wait until you reach that level and experience it for yourself."
Page 397 "If you are more advanced, you can share what you've learned but are cautioned against trying to convince them. It is up to them to take the info and run with it. This is why I answer questions but never debate or justify what I've learned."
Page 398 "You'll know what I mean when you arrive there."
Page 406 "Until you do become free of your DNA wiring [which causes a repulsion to homosexuality], you haven't reached the spiritual maturity of a Final Incarnation."
Page 408 "Many questions people have will not be answered or fully answered until you are in Final Incarnation or just ended Final Incarnation."
Page 414 "When you reach a certain level, you will better understand what I'm talking about."
Page 419 "It isn't necessary for me to say more at this time on this."
Page 420 "Just because someone reads the material does not mean they are in their Final Incarnation…"
Page 434 "In time, when you progress beyond the difficulties of 3rd density, you will come to understand that better."
Page 438 "You'll understand eventually."
Page 439 "This is VERY high material for Earther incarnates and if it can't be grasped, the incarnation is not yet ready to understand the whole of it… Hang in there."
Page 439 "You don't understand probably because you're not quite ready for it."
Page 455 "You will be given this information when you have advanced to the point where you are ready to receive it."
Page 479 "If you cannot understand this, you will as you advance."
Page 483 "That you don't understand the basic nature of the Higher Self (or you wouldn't have asked THAT question) indicates you are dealing with matters too Advanced for you at this time."
Page 486 "You'll understand more when you reach Very Advanced levels. You also should re-read ALL of M5."
Page 487 "Anyone not at that level [VERY Advanced or Finals] would ask just what you did."
Page 487 "You want to understand beyond your current level. This is impossible. I have no problem understanding but you will not be able to grasp this until your Awakened Final Incarnation, wherever in time that one is. Handle what you can and push the rest to the side…"
Page 488 "You will understand this in your own Higher Self's Awakened Final Incarnation."
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Page 492 "You will eventually move beyond your current views even if not in this incarnation. For now, though, the answer to your question is not what you're ready to hear in full."
Page 499 "It is far more complex than the simple explanation you are looking for. I've given some hints here, but for more, you'll have to take it up with YOUR Higher Self or research the Library on Monroe level 27."
Page 501 "Having an interest in the M5 materials places you somewhere in the Advanced stages."
Page 508 "Yes, you haven't Advanced enough to deduce this yet. You will not be able to until YOUR Higher Self allows it.
Page 509 "If you are unable to grasp this, you aren't ready for the Matrix 5 materials.
Page 510 "Again, if you cannot grasp it, you aren't ready to understand it yet."
Page 510 "If you can't grasp topics in M5, just put them aside mentally. You are still assisting your Higher Self and your more Advanced incarnations."
Page 512 "If you cannot yet grasp this, you have not reached the stage of Advancement necessary to grasp it. Hang in there. At some time in your incarnational progression you will!"
Page 512 "That you use the Lightsider word 'ascension' and are concerned about the use of violence, says you are not ready for all the info in M5 yet…"
Page 517 "[David Icke] is mid-Advanced level. He is aware of M5 but is not ready for it."

 This guy, by inference, is supposedly a Final incarnation type.  So if PUL is not the measure of true spirituality, then what is?  Grasping certain mental or intellectual concepts?

 Here is part of the review wherein the reviewer points out the short sightedness and illogicalness of his exalted info.  Talking about the homosexual and like attracts like reasons to support his assertions.

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 So much of what the reviewer says about this material strikes me as very logical and common sense like in the above.   Note the reviewer refers to this author as "TA".  Here is some more logical reasoning from the reviewer:

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