I Am Dude wrote on Dec 18th, 2008 at 5:59am:Justin
Seth gives many suggestions and techniques for his readers to practice for various areas of personal growth in all of his books. Here is a link with page numbers for each exercise.
http://newworldview.com/library/Helfrich_P_Seth_Jane_Exercises.html These can all be practiced and the truth of Seth's concepts can be experienced first hand through these mental/spiritual exercises.
Thanks for the info and link.
Quote:As for future predictions, I have not come across any as of yet. I have read that many of Seth's clairvoyancy tests have been verified, however, and Jane's as well. This information can be found in Robert Butt's notes throughout the books, as well as Jane's book Dreams, Projections of Consciousness, and Seth.
Thanks again. I wonder what these tests entailed, and how they were set up? Is Butt's a prior "fan" of her and this work? Is there a possibility that he is biased? Are there independent, non associated persons that vouch for her clairvoyant accuracy in written, signed documents, etc? Could i personally see copies or the originals of these documents?
Monroe met up with Jane, and interestingly enough that's all that's in 1st bio, is that they met up. Yet when talking about another well known psychic that he met up with, he did talk about meeting her guide.
Quote:I do not believe Seth emphasizes the little self. Perhaps you can give me an example of what you mean. He speaks a great deal of a Creator, calling him/it All That Is. Actually, I just read Dreams, Evolution, and Value Fullfillment, and this book goes into great detail about our creator and the creation process. He also speaks of love, how it is of upmost importance to love not only our fellow humans, but all of nature. He believes it is absolutely wrong to kill or do harm in any way to any aspect of nature. Many of this material is found in his later books. This is a fact, and not just something I am making up.
I perused some of her work quite awhile ago, and don't remember much at all of the specifics, but do remember the general impressions that i got at the time. Sorry, thats oft how my memory works when long periods of time are involved, and i'm not overly interested in something to begin with. I remembering perusing 2 of her books before, one was Seth Speaks and another well i don't even remember the name now.
But i don't generally remember reading much about PUL in any form, and i remember that because that one is, and has been for a long time, a big one for me. You say it's in the latter works, and i believe you...but well i can't help observe or get the feeling that perhaps this info is not coming from a very spiritually mature guide, but rather from the unconscious of a human who is constantly evolving her own belief system and eventually starts to concentrate more on PUL like beliefs and ways of being. This also might explain some of the very self contradictory things said about say Yeshua and his life, no?
Quote:Seth does emphasize PUL, although he may use different terminology for the same concept. He delves into all areas of physical and nonphysical reality, PUL being one of them, but certainly not the only one, for there is much more to the inner workings of the univerise and our consciousness than to simply say, PUL is the answer. It is the answer at a basic level, and Seth recognizes this, but he expands beyond this base level into the more complicated unknown aspects.
Again, i believe you that this is in the latter works, but again to my mind there is the strong possibility that it's coming more from Jane's own unconscious, and since everyone has an intuitive, psychic side to themselves, i don't doubt that occasionally she had some more accurate impressions.
But please understand that i'm coming from studying an enormous, very long term, very deep work that has multiple, independently verified stuff in various subjects all on paper for anyone to see (and numerous signed affidavits from people helped with health issues), and well lol guess i'm a bit spoiled in that regard and thus demand more from psychic, channeled sources than apparently most do. I'm not overly right brain predominant, and definitely tend to lean a bit more to the left brain on average.
Quote:Do I believe Seth is a "completed consciousness?" No. Does Seth? No. He, just like everyone, is on a never ending quest of growth and fulfillment. I believe he knows a great deal more about the true workings of the universe and consciousness than we do, however. I don't believe it is possible to be fully complete, for that would imply there is no more room left for growth, which I believe is never the case. Our yearning for greater and greater value fulfillment is what drives all consciousness.
Let me explain more fully what i meant by that. My understanding of this term that Monroe used, was for 1, when he had his "ultimate experience" wherein he temporarily but more fully merged with Source Consciousness and communicated with what he perceived to be "completed" consciousnesses fully consciously intune with same and with all energies. He was told he couldn't "stay there" because he was still incomplete.
Or in other words, if they were a human, we might call them things like, "enlightened", or others might call them a Buddha, or a Christ, for example. You're right, they are not done growing, but they are done "learning" in the sense that we learn, for our learning is a re-remembering, and they have remembered everything about the little self and the Total, Whole Self.
For them now, they are more enjoying being a
fully conscious, Co-Creator with Source, and creating new Universes, systems, worlds and, new dimensions and birthing new Consciousness patterns to experience and enjoy these new dimensions. So yes, still growth going on. From that perspective, would you say that Seth was a completed consciousness as per more Monroe's use of the term?
Quote:I don't know if you were referring to me as Aquarian, but if you were, I am Capricorn. I feel that I am open minded. Of course everything is filtered in through my believe system, just like everyone else, but I believe that I have a belief system which allows me to assimilate information in a way that doesn't receive much interference from negative emotions and false beliefs.
Sorry about the mistake, i'm usually really good with stuff like that, and could have sworn that i read sometime that you were born right near the cusp of Aquarius/Capricorn or Capricorn/Aquarius, somewhere around Jan. 19th or 20th--i believe i even wrote you a happy b-day post once? If that is the case, then as someone who has been into astrology for a long time, and who is good at tuning into others along those lines, i would say that even if you were technically born just barely still in Capricorn, you have very strong and predominant Aquarian energies going on. (a compliment in my book btw).
Btw, i'm a Cappy too, born Jan. 8th. I've always felt more Aquarian than Capricorn, and this due to both some highlighted Aquarius in my chart, and more so that Aquarius's main ruler, Uranus, is very highlighted in my chart. Lol maybe i'm projecting onto you, but really it is a compliment for me to say that you are more Aquarian than Capricorn in tendency and feel.
And yes, regarding your beliefs and tendencies with same, i do get a sense that you are fairly clear in that regard, fairly intuitive, and especially so for someone your age. I wasn't trying to imply that i look down upon you, about the Aquarian thing and all, because i rather like that sign and Consciousness indication, but i've observed both in myself (also its a Capricorn issue too) and in other folks with really strong indications along those lines, sometimes are too head polarized and more stubborn than they first appear (also applies to Capricorn, except that Capricorn doesn't usually come off as open minded and unusual as Aquarius does).
Not that they are unspiritual, unloving people. They just
tend to have to work more at the "heart" and feeling stuff; mentally they are often quite advanced and easily understand and intuitively perceive very abstract and deep info about reality. And they often tend to care about humanity as a whole in a detached kind of way. Now add a little Pisces, Neptune, Jupiter, and/or strong Venus to the mix, and on average, you got one spiritualzed, truly and deeply loving chart indications.
Quote:I am very deep into Seth's concepts and material, but I feel I actively experience and show love quite often, definitely more than many others I observe. The Seth material has not hindered my spiritual growth in any way, but has expanded it.
That's good to hear. From what you've been telling me, and from my experience, if it were me, i would stick more with the latter stuff because it is more PUL centered.
The fact that i'm debating this stuff with you to begin with, shows that there is plenty of work that i need to continue doing with self, and thus i'm probably not the best one to transform anyones beliefs if there were a need for that to begin with.
That's usually best done by example, rather than debate, logical analysis, or overly generalizing a person, a source, and those into same that i don't know that well. Please forgive my ignorance in this case.
So, i'm done with debating this subject, but will definitely read any replies from you re: it. Guidance mutters, "geesh, about time." Like i said, i have a stubborn side as indicated by the strong Capricorn and Aquarian (and like) energies in my own chart. I may want to talk to you more about some of your questions re: Yeshua and his life pattern/example, but if i do i will take it over to my "resurrection" thread in the off topic section.
Btw, like you, i also don't have much belief system baggage, and am fairly clear and intuitive in that respect, so where does that leave us?
Stalemated, because we both believe that we have the more accurate, clear, and expanded viewpoint, or at least it seems that way.
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