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Yes, Rondele, it is a theory. However, I would suggest that making assumptions about who has and has not had a 'transformational' experience is in the eye of the beholder, isn't it?

love, blink

 I'm a bit conflicted when it comes to the issue of debate and disagreement with others regarding beliefs and belief systems.  

 On one hand, i've observed both in my own interactions, and observing others, that it rarely changes anything.  In the end, most people are not nearly as consistently open minded as they would like to believe about themselves or would like others believe about them.  
 In many cases, debate and disagreement can put others on the defensive, and when people start getting emotional about it, it can make the opposite happen.  Pretty much anyone who has ever been in a deep, long term committed relationship knows that one.

 Other the other hand, i've both experienced, and have seen with others, that occasionally when someone disagrees with self (or self's beliefs) in a balanced, respectful, holistically logical, and with positive intentions kind of way, that if indeed that person does have the more broadly accurate and/or constructive viewpoint (from say a nonphysical guide viewpoint), well sometimes it does help one to view things in a different light.   Sometimes it's much later on down the road, rather than immediately.  But nonetheless a seed was planted.

 Also, my teacher occasionally debated with others.  Why would he, if it never had any merit, or potential constructiveness?  He was not one who liked to hear himself talk, so perhaps there are times and occasions for disagreement and debate.  In his case, it seems he didn't debate with others on a personal level, but rather always publicly...  
Maybe then his debating wasn't always so much for the person who was likewise debating him, but for others watching and listening?  Maybe those not directly and actively caught up in the "drama" of it, were more open to actually really listening to, and getting the truth of he was trying to say?

 Maybe the key is going within, and listening to the still small voice, and knowing when to disagree and speak out, or when to just keep ones opinions to oneself?

 Boy, i wish i could master that one!

 I find it very humorous (and immensely ironic), that people pay to read other people's opinions, and when they actually pay for it with money, they tend to be more open to those opinions.   Whereas, when people come on sites like this, and listen to given opinions/views/perspectives/logic that doesn't cost any money and that may be just as wise/expanded or even more so than what's found in books...well people tend to ignore or not really listen so much in these cases.  

 Maybe we all should put our opinions in books, and that way we'll all be heard more?

 We're a funny bunch, we humans.  I wonder why we choose for so long, to remain so..well "human" when that entails a lot of suffering?  Why do we cling so much to this human experience?

Justin:

Boy, has the below occurred to me.

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 I find it very humorous (and immensely ironic), that people pay to read other people's opinions, and when they actually pay for it with money, they tend to be more open to those opinions.   Whereas, when people come on sites like this, and listen to given opinions/views/perspectives/logic that doesn't cost any money and that may be just as wise/expanded or even more so than what's found in books...well people tend to ignore or not really listen so much in these cases.  

 Maybe we all should put our opinions in books, and that way we'll all be heard more?

recoverer wrote on Dec 19^th, 2008 at 2:26pm:



  All righty, agreed then, you sign my book and i will sign yours!

  Actually, the only signatures we need, are the approval of the White Llight Bro-merged with-Sis'hood.   Something tells me that we would get those if we kept our books less against, and more for in nature.

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 And along that line, perhaps because very expanded, accurate, and very PUL centered books are kind of rare in this world (like i sense Bruce's work or McKnights work to be like), perhaps sometimes guidance does lead one to a book or teacher which they know does contain skewing, mis info, etc., but because say the deeper or general message at the time, is a good one for them to come across and tune into?  

   When i first read Monroe's 1st book, i didn't really like or vibe with it that much.  To me, a lot of his assumptions felt off, and i sensed a lot of fear and lack of heart openness in him.  

 Yet, for whatever reason i did persist with his books later on down the line, and enjoyed and resonated a lot more with the 2nd and especially his 3rd book.   And so while the 1st contained a lot of spiritual inaccuracies, i'm still glad i came upon it and him, for the help of the latter books.  

 Maybe it is somewhat similar in Jane Roberts and Seths case?   I still get the sense that she was more so channeling her own unconscious stuff, but by people's accounts who have read many of books, it seems she began to grow spiritually, and her latter work represented that.  

 Now, if her earlier work hadn't spoke out against one of 3 of my Father's (Source being the 1st, and my bio Dads another, and Christ/Yeshua's Disc being the 2nd and one i'm referencing too), well i would have never spoken out against Jane Roberts or Seth, despite that otherwise i sense and perceive skewing, inaccuracies, lack of PUL of in same (in the earlier works that i've perused).   It was the extremity of it, which prompted my speaking against.

  Rondele, are you bothered that i and others have so sidetracked your thread?

  If you are bothered by the side tracking, i will go and erase my side tracking posts/replies.