Gordon,

Out of interest when the terrorists are themselves killed, as has occurred, does anyone go to retrieve them?

After all, they are human, albeit very misguided, or are their souls just left to their own devices?
Hmmm.

roger 

Harvey:

I figure there is a fine line between when higher level beings will intefere with what goes on in this World and when they won't. On the one hand they want us to have freewill, on the other hand they won't allow us to completely destroy ourselves. If we do so, we not only effect this World, we effect other Worlds, because the surprised and trapped souls from this World will effect other Worlds.

Check out Howard Storm's book. He was told that World War III would not happen because God would not allow it to happen. He was told that the cold war would be brought to an end before it was brought to an end. Yet other negative events aren't stopped.

One evening I watched the Larry King show when some UFO experts were on the show, and they spoke about an event where nuclear tests were stopped by UFOs. The evidence they presented was quite credible.   The people who tried to deny their case weren't able to provide strong counter arguments to the evidence.

To sum up, perhaps divine intervention isn't an all or nothing affair.  

Roger,
just checked in on this for you.  double-checked if you like, as I thought i knew the answer from past retrieval work.
saw moving images of gleeful young men shooting "the enemy" "the infidels" (take your pick of names) and feeling very righteous about doing so.  Fighting to the last for their holy cause, courageous as only the ideologically convinced can be.
As they were themsleves shot I saw various retrievers swoop in to assist, just as they did for "victims" "police" etc.
Some of the "attackers" would move immediately to their training base in some mountainous region and join in what looked like celebrations, you know, the ghosts at the party.  desire would take them there instantly, surprising their assumptions of "going to heaven" .
Others seemed stunned and looked like they were retrieved in the usual way.

I did not participate in this scenario, but as you may know I have worked disaster and criminal situation retrievals before and I never noticed any discrimination amongst retrievers over "sides in the conflict".
The Beslan school tragedy comes to mind.  After my account of that was included in More Adventures In Eternity, a stranger from England emailed to say she recalled being part of the retireving team there too, and my account dovetailed quite well with hers.

gordon


roger prettyman wrote on Dec 1^st, 2008 at 12:00pm:

No disrespect....
How do we really know that these people are Terrorists?
I am not belittling this or disregarding ANYone's loss of life.
It is a horrific thing to happen.  I question as to WHY!
Why is the title of this thread not simply 'Assult in Mubai'?
Is not one man's Terrorist another man's Freedom Fighter?
Were the colonists of the British Empire labled Terrorists?
Do we think of the American Revolution as fought by Terrorists on the American side?

Where did that bit of information about Mumbai come from?
MSM? (Main Steam Media) Or as I like to coin now the Corporate Owned Media.

That term 'Terrorist' is thrown around a lot now a days isn't it?
It IS our 'New Enemy'.
The Russians used to be our 'enemy' too.
If you have an 'enemy' then you have a way in which to control the populace....through FEAR!
Also you have a means in which to develop, build, all sorts of weapon systems too.

Since I do not believe in any coincidences anymore it is odd that we are losing our Freedoms/Liberties as soon as this 'New Enemy' came on the scene.
In a major way since the date of September 11, 2001 this has been the case.
We have been warned more then once about this by credible people.

Just food for thought.
Al Qaeda was formed and funded by the CIA.
In other words Al Qauda is a FRONT for the CIA.
The CIA is the major importer of the drugs in this country. (Sure there is a few 'little guys' doing it.  Not enough though to make a dent)
Why do you think this 'War on Drugs' is never Won?
(Do you honestly think this 'War on Terror' will be won? Also why is it called the 'War on Terror' and not Terror-ISM?)
You think 'they' could not stop drugs from coming into this country?
I would respectfully ask you to think again on that.
Or Read the book titled: 'Confessions of an Economic Hit Man' by John Perkins for starters. (Or look him up on Google video)

I do not 'know' for sure who these people really are.
I will not simply accept whatever I read & hear in the Media though.

Not anymore!

When I see 'Stories' like this in the news and controlling the News Cycle I then try to look deeper then what is on the surface.

Do you know who the next 'Enemy' is going to be?  Anyone want to take a shot at it?

I don't believe it is a matter of what religion a person follows. It is a matter of how much a person lives according to love. If a person believes it is okay to murder other people after demonizing them in some way, this person hardly lives according to love. Until this person decides to live according to love rather than hate, anger, judgment, and prejudice, this person won't be able to ascend.  Killing in the name of God is a bunch of BS.

Um,

These acts were those of terrorists.  Never in history has one had to fight for one's freedom by sneaking into a free democratic country with Uzis and bombs, and then killing non-combatants, innocent civilians, solely for the purpose of killing and striking terror into the population.

Moral relativism makes me ill.  All ideas and views are not equal, otherwise nothing matters.  If our goal is to express PUL and become more loving, there are certain actions and thoughts that are either conducive to this (loving), or, as in this case antithetical to love.

It is absolutely clear to me that these terrorists are not going to a Focus 27 area or a "heaven."  If you take a look at the karmic involvement, the misery and grief that they have sowed, you can't make it all acceptible by saying that the person was taught this as their religion.  They knew that they were spraying bullets at people, targeting them for their beliefs. 

We all have a soul, and a conscience tied in with our personalities.  We know right from wrong.  No indoctrination can change that in our very core.  By killing the innocent, the terrorists chose to go in the path opposite to love, acceptance. 

My own feeling, not corroborated through exploration as yet, is that there is a belief system plane where terrorists go, where like attracts like.  I don't believe it is a pretty place.  If one willingly executes others, one will be subject to this in the afterlife.  Not a heavenly belief system.

Now is a perfect time for peace-loving people to denounce the killing of innocent civilians, and any group who openly preaches that it is acceptible or glorious.

Matthew

Old Dood: have read both John Perkins books and see the darker side of global geopolitics.  When retrieving or discussing it I never take sides; there are no victims or victors, merely souls mired in the illusions of the physical plane.
Merely used "terrorist assault" as a  quick identification for readers.

gordon






Old Dood wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2008 at 10:02am: