devayan wrote on Nov 7th, 2008 at 8:38pm:Quote: Hi Alan,
I have a lot of respect and love for the guy you are now talking about, but I agree with R that it's perhap limiting to put him on such a pedestal. I say that knowing that sometimes I do that too much myself.
He was/is an interesting, and yes in many ways unique incarnation, but not special or above us.
I happen to believe that his "I-there", "Over soul", "Disk", "Monad", or whatever you call it, happens to be the Creator of this Universe...but we too will eventually become Co-Creators of other Universes (and perhaps parts of us are already involved in that... )
There are plenty others already. What's unique about Christ was the speed in which he remerged with God, the steadfastness in his various physical lives and other experiences, and the particular sacrifices he has made for Earth, and the first to separate and return (some never separated to begin with)...
I guess what I"m saying is that ultimately all are equal within God, and all have the same potential as Christ.
But i do believe I understand where you are coming from.. The sentiment is echoed in two very Universal sources that I particularly like, the Cayce readings and Rosiland McKnight's work with Bob Monroe and her guidance.
Both sources seem to say that Christ, as and through the personality Yeshua, was the fastest vibratory, and most purely love filled person to ever walk this Earth (at least during these collectively slower vibrating cycles). Both place a lot of emphasis on him as being a "leader", main director of spiritual growth, or Master amongst Masters...and if His Disc is the actual Co Creator of this Universe, then yes it makes sense for He knows every Soul within His Creation extremely intimately, for they are OF Him.
And yet we have the same potential, and can be what He is now.
To me Jesus is just one of many illuminated masters/mistresses (lets not forget the feminine here) who have trod this Earth over untold millenia If you listen carefully their message is the same.Unfortunately the early christian religion was hijacked and turned into a political system of power,suppression and brutality,lets not forget the horrors of the inquisition.His true message was distorted beyond belief.Christ must have been talking about the Divine Spark that inhabits all humans.That spark has no need of human style personality.I guess Jesus was trying to help his small band of followers to realize they were much more than their ego everyday self.IT would have been a hard job given the cultural paradigm of the day.Particularly the jealous possesive god of the Jews.When christians in their thousands as do all other religions pray fervently to "God" they are sadly unwittingly separating themselves from the divine over and over.Put "god" outside of yourself and then pray to him/her.There is no "gaseous vertebrate" that will answer and pat you on the back for being "a good boy".You may get a response from more enlightened beings who have moved on from this plane but it won't be "god".You are That.
Love Devayan.
Hi Devayan,
I'm a bit confused after reading your post, as to why you quoted mine?
Either way, i would like to speak to some things you said. I grew up being very interested in Eastern beliefs, and later on also in the general "New Age" hodge podge of beliefs.
Many sources within both believe and claim that Yeshua was just another Master and that there are and have been many of them. I believed that Buddha was completely enlightened, etc. etc. I believed all this for many years myself, and to some extent it is true, but for myself, I have discovered that the "truth" encompasses more than just that.
I started studying a very interesting, rather universal (especially for its times) and very deep source of info, and it gave a very rich and multi-dimensional view of this character Yeshua. It seemed to place him in a somewhat unique role, as compared to the many teachers who have come here to try to help humanity.
I started to drop more and more outer belief systems, and started to go within more and more, and the more I did that, the more I realized that this particular source rang of truth and accuracy in this respect. And there is other outside stuff independent of it, to back it up, like the Shroud of Turin for example. There haven't been any other like it found. It is in my belief a snap shot in space time of the full conversion of the body physical matter back into pure Light state.
The more intune i got, and the more within i went, the more I realized exactly who and what this person was all about. Also at the same time, my intuition and discrimination started to become more acute, and I realized that many teachers out there, who others labeled as completely enlightened, weren't actually. Some were darn close, and others not so, and quite a few modern ones were downright quite far from same.
Out of all the
public and generally known teachers out there that I've tuned into, there is only one so far
born of a woman, that I would say was completely and fully enlightened.
That doesn't mean that other beliefs, teachings, and teachers don't have merit, or things of worth to offer. Course they do, and any that
both preach and
practice love and Oneness in action are helpful. What is the best belief system? The one that helps you get closest to Source and living in a loving and Sourcelike way.
Also, I believe the potential of complete/full enlightenment is there for any and everyone, and notice I italicized "public". My sense is that there are and have been others out there since Yeshua who have achieved the same, but they are much less known to the world and for whatever reason they keep on the down low, performing their good works as what some might call "immortals". They do not age or die, because they have transcended the illusion of physicality.
I also believe there are whole "races" of certain E.T. groups who operate within that same degree of development.
These all are the full, and fully conscious, Co-Creators with Source. We too will get there.
But I guess my point is that, just because many people say that this or that teacher was fully enlightened, doesn't make it true. There are degrees of awareness, and especially
livingness of Sourceness, and there is also the Zenith within same. Many public teachers talk a good talk, and are perceptive about various things, but did or do they put into practice the degree that Yeshua did and does?
Isn't it alright if my answer/opinion is different than yours?