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You are right of course he is /was not a man but the Sublime Incarnation of God  (not the incarnation of some other exalted master).

In all of human history he was unique in perfection and love especially altruistic love

Alan

One other comment.

Sometimes people try to make other beings seem holy in an unnecessary way.  Whenever God's love runs through a soul, that soul automatically becomes holy.  You can't trump love.

Imagine this scenario.  You are born into this World as Jesus was.  You go through what he went through in order to obtain the level of understanding he obtained. You go through the pain of being crucified. You return to the spirit World and are told you aren't a soul like everybody else, so it is time for your existence to be brought to an end unlike everybody else's existence. Would God really work things out in such a way? Would this scenario be repeated on numerous planets?

There are many times within the gospels where Jesus refers to God as father, or Jesus is referred to as son. This suggests he is a child of God like the rest of us.  Doesn't it make sense that a person who plays the role of example, has something in common with us?

When it comes to what "some" of the words in the gospel of John say, is it clearly understood what translation issues led to? When the gospel was written people tended to think of God as an old man in the sky rather than a being of infinite extent. Therefore, they might've concluded that the totality of God could appear in the form of a man.  Even if Jesus did say that he is the son of man, perhaps what this meant to him is different than what it meant to other people. Perhaps he understood that we are all parts of God and can have access to the love and wisdom of God if we allow ourselves to do so. When we live according to our true nature we live according to our God like nature.

Many people have had NDEs where they experienced Jesus as one being and God as another being.

If we allow love to be our guide when we try to figure out who Jesus is rather than fear, we find that we can find out about his glory without having to believe things about him that aren't accurate.

  Hi Alan,

  I have a lot of respect and love for the guy you are now talking about, but I agree with R that it's perhap limiting to put him on such a pedestal.  I say that knowing that sometimes I do that too much myself. 

  He was/is an interesting, and yes in many ways unique incarnation, but not special or above us. 

   I happen to believe that his "I-there", "Over soul", "Disk", "Monad", or whatever you call it, happens to be the Creator of this Universe...but we too will eventually become Co-Creators of other Universes (and perhaps parts of us are already involved in that... )

There are plenty others already.  What's unique about Christ was the speed in which he remerged with God, the steadfastness in his various physical lives and other experiences, and the particular sacrifices he has made for Earth, and the first to separate and return (some never separated to begin with)...

  I guess what I"m saying is that ultimately all are equal within God, and all have the same potential as Christ.

  But i do believe I understand where you are coming from..  The sentiment is echoed in two very Universal sources that I particularly like, the Cayce readings and Rosiland McKnight's work with Bob Monroe and her guidance.   

Both sources seem to say that Christ, as and through the personality Yeshua, was the fastest vibratory, and most purely love filled person to ever walk this Earth (at least during these collectively slower vibrating cycles).  Both place a lot of emphasis on him as being a "leader", main director of spiritual growth, or Master amongst Masters...and if His Disc is the actual Co Creator of this Universe, then yes it makes sense for He knows every Soul within His Creation extremely intimately, for they are OF Him. 

  And yet we have the same potential, and can be what He is now. 

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To me Jesus is just one of many illuminated masters/mistresses (lets not forget the feminine here) who have trod this Earth over untold millenia If you listen carefully their message is the same.Unfortunately the early christian religion was hijacked and turned into a political system of power,suppression and brutality,lets not forget the horrors of the inquisition.His true message was distorted beyond belief.Christ must have been talking about the Divine Spark that inhabits all humans.That spark has no need of human style personality.I guess Jesus was trying to help his small band of followers to realize they were much more than their ego everyday self.IT would have been a hard job given the cultural paradigm of the day.Particularly the jealous possesive god of the Jews.When christians in their thousands as do all other religions pray fervently to "God" they are sadly unwittingly separating themselves from the divine over and over.Put "god" outside of yourself and then pray to him/her.There is no "gaseous vertebrate" that will answer and pat you on the back for being "a good boy".You may get a response from more enlightened beings who have moved on from this plane but it won't be "god".You are That.
Love Devayan.

Alan McDougall wrote on Nov 7^th, 2008 at 10:09pm:

Early so called christians did equally or worse...All humans have that bestial ability when separated from the Divine.All religions have been capable of that evil....And still do.Christs message was so simple and yet so hard to live..."Love one another"Even animals follow that to a better degree than humans at times.Animals care more about their survival as a species than we humans do at times..We need to move back to the "Natural State of Man"It was always there never lost but hidden by cultural dysfunctional Concepts.The Movie the "Matrix" gives us an idea of where humans have lost themselves.
LOve Devayan.