spooky2 wrote on Oct 22nd, 2008 at 2:55am:Hi again Ronny,
what I recommend to everyone is a "mild", easy way of meditation.
The first goal simply is to get your mind away from the daily topics and concerns. To start with "No thoughts" is too difficult and long termed for most people, and often not even desired. The other approach is easier: Instead of clearing your mind in order to get in distance to the all-day hurry and schedule, simply imagine something. Close your eyes and imagine to be somewhere, the best would be at a place you don't know to avoid associations with your physical life's activities, a place you create. This may sound like a useless childish game, but it is a very effective method to reach an altered consciousness state, away from the physical into the nonphysical. (Btw, to train your imagination is useful for all sorts of things)
The second step then is to move from a controlled, active imagination to a more receptive one. This could be, you imagine to be in "your" landscape, and walk around with not too many expectations. You sooner or later will see in your mind things or persons you haven't planned to see. It will feel as if you are imagining it right now, but just go with the flow, and accept it as if it were real. When you do this for a while, and write down your experiences, and then re-read them, you will notice that the results are different from the usual imagination, dreaming, or daydreaming.
From that point on, you can go various ways: You could try to go to nonphysical places others have described (simply by your will to do so), or call for a helper to show you something interesting or to give you some answers, or try to do retrievals, or remote viewing or whatever.
The evaluation of what you get in those, what I call, mind-journeys is up to you. It is, at least in the beginning, a must to write down your experiences, because otherwise you WILL forget them like dreams. Once you have developed a "feeling" for these nonphysical / mind places and/or states, it will get easier to remember it even without writing it down, as it will become your second nature, and so to speak, you'll live in two worlds, which, at it's best, will correspond to a good degree.
Bruce's Guidebook contains a step-by-step approach of this.
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What you've told of Seth's comments about sleep-schedules, there's some truth in it, though I believe it varies to a great degree individually. What is a matter of fact unfortunately, a full-time job without an hour of rest/sleep in between, is a very hindering factor in achieving controlled states of nonphysical perception. When you got home from work after 8 hours or even more, you eat something and then... bump. You fall asleep (maybe while having a beer and watching tv...)
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Click out vs. fall asleep: I once listened to a HemiSync recording, and after a little while it made a "click", just like the cd-player couldn't track it properly, so I looked at the cd player and it had skipped about 20 minutes, impossible, as it would have taken some time for the sound head to move, and I looked at my watch, I remembered the time when I layed me down, and the watch, too, was twenty minutes later. So, there was a time gap of twenty minutes, it was a click-out, and I absolutely know nothing of what had happened during that time. It's a very odd experience.
Spooky
Hey Spooky,
Thanks for more insights from your experience repertoire. Last night I ordered a new copy of Moen's fifth book from
www.Buy.com. I would normally order from
www.Amazon.com, but I was only buying one book and the cost of the book was about $4 cheaper at buy.com; the shipping from either sellers was about the same. One of the businesses that we own, which we just started, is a non-profit used book store, so it sort of bothered me to be paying new book prices; but when there is a need, there is a need. What can I say? My wife and I started a used book store in honor of our recently deceased son who at the very young age of 19 ended his life. We are still grieving over his untimely death which is less than a year ago. Yes it was his death that spurred me onto my present course of delving into these arcane matters. All of our profits are to be donated to charitable causes. I've made a lot of money in for-profit ventures and suddenly I find myself in the realm of non-profits.
Your suggestions, which you credit to Moen, are very good. I can see how a progressive approach toward meditation will result in more little successes which eventually will lead to the big meditation kahuna.
Several weeks ago, after having reread a portion of Jane Robert's Seth books, I forced myself to start a dream journal. I have one right next to my pillow on my bed with a pen. The times I've had dreams and were able to recall some of them, I've managed to scribble some memories of them. Looking over the notes I can see a distinctly different recallability. The first few notes were vague and broad, but the most recent one went to greater length with more details.
Start small and move slowly. Eventually we'll get bigger and move quicker!
I have a philosophical quandary about Seth's suggested sleep schedules. Seth suggested sleeping as much as needed, not as much as forced. In his parlance, go to sleep and wake up when you want to. Then conduct business in the physical world till tired, then go to sleep again. By doing this, Seth said we should fall into a natural sleep/wake cycle of about five hours each. Seth said by doing this we will be more aware of our dream state since the separation of awareness of the dream state and the physical state wouldn't be that overt. The way we conduct our lives now, we sleep longer and stay awake longer, creating a schism between work and sleep, or physical world versus the dream world. My question is this: since we are in the physical world, why mustn't we stay in the physical world? Why even delve into the dream world? We will have our time, so to speak, in the dream world forever anyway when our physical world ends. It's akin to asking: why shouldn't we render unto Caesar, what is Caesar's? Or, to keep the thoughts flowing: why act like Greeks when we are in Rome (itself a play on when one is in Rome, one must act Roman)?