Are there "thought police" in the afterlife?

I am interested in your thoughts.

love, blink

Hi Blink. My best sense (and the teaching of various traditions too) is that the afterlife as a mind made creation is no different to the physical - other than that the creative dimension of mind results in much more rapid emergence of whatever reality the being/entity concerned grasps after.

It seems likely too that while the beings inhabiting it (existence as a being is of itself indicative of a belief in self and hence ego - excluding influences from higher realms that are free from the cycle of physical birth and death, and have manifested to help) are all in some way bound by ego and the associated compulsion to avoid suffering by external means.

This being the case it seems likely that there is no thought police, at least not acting on behalf of Spirit. This would violate the principle of free will that seems very sacrosanct to Spirit even here. That's not to say that as here that there are not beings that will seek for egotistical reasons to manipulate others for their own ends, but as here the motive is presumably selfish.

The result of all that is presumably as R says that beings/entities are to be found in the afterlife representing a wide rage of beliefs and levels of accomplishment - ranging from the almost realised to the highly unpleasant. 'What you believe is what you get'.

Another common sense view is that all level of being seem eventually to cycle through the afterlife and back into the physical - suggesting that at least all earthly persuasions are to be found there.

The good news is perhaps that we seem to be drawn to realms that reflect our own view/level.

Is this the true picture? I don't have enough experience to know, it's more my personal interpretation of my own bits of experience, what's taught in some quarters, and stitching together what others report...

I don't believe it is a matter of being bound to ego. Such a viewpoint contends that our problem is that we think of ourselves as being individuals, and we need to give up being individuals.  Unless we came into existence by mistake, why would we seek to disolve our individuality? Even if our individuality is a mistake, why would we want to bring it to an end so that in the end only one center of consciousness exists? I figure a huge number of very happy eternal Souls is a much better idea than just one being all by itself.

If one reaches the point where one can live completely according to love, then one can be a distinct Soul and a part of the oneness at the same time. Consider the Soul mergers people speak about. Could such mergers exist if there weren't at least two distinct Souls to merge with each other? The I we experience during physical life is just one little finger of who we are as Soul based beings. When we start to understand who we are on a larger scale, it doesn't make sense to think in terms of having to overcome our ego/individuality.

The viewpoint which contends that our existence evolves to levels that are hard to fathom while human, doesn't support the everything is a mistake viewpoint.

Our self-defense instinct is something we are equipped with while human. It helps us survive in the challenging play of opposites that exist in this World, and also helps us learn about what is possible when it comes to the creative aspect of being. I'm not absolutely positive about this, but I believe that our self-defense instinct stays behind with our body when we die.  It isn't a sense of self that binds us. The limiting ideas and emotional attachments we have bind us. The fact of how each of us has our own limitations and attachments to overcome, shows that we do exist as unique Souls.

The concept of ego has become the scapegoat for our temporary self-defense instinct, limiting ideas, and emotional attachments.

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Greetings All. I don't know! But I do know there is the Thought-Police in this the Afterlife-Knowledge Forum....Try speaking you mind, under their new rules?! No matter how polite or otherwise. You'll get banned or temporarily suspended! ..Harvey..."Freedom of speech does not apply here!"

Blink, I would think that areas could be created that have such things. If you were to have fixed beliefs about religions or the sort then a sort of thought control could be realised. Say if you believed in a religion that God was a reptile. When you died and went to this area of the BST's, and then your prosess changed to believe that there is no such thing as reptilian God then poof.., your out of there. Like a retrieval of a sort. If you are doing a retrieval of someone who believes in a christian "doctrine" or cult, and is stuck in a BST as envisioned by their beliefs....you retrieve then..isn't that sort of the same? When we do retrievals are we attempting to change others beliefs/thoughts? Are we thought police in the afterlife?

theres a retrieval a friend of mine did where a man put himself in jail and there was a guard guarding him. thats not thought police, but it' having a jailer. but it was his own guilt made him go to jail. sometimes retrievers come into these places to help them out.

there a focus level I read of in Bruce's books. it shows the creativity of the place. if he thought large, suddenly everything turned small. whatever he thought of, it's opposite appeared. so anything goes in that level. don't know what level it was, but I remember, the birds flew backwards!

I think there are no thought police, yet every one goes to where their own grouping is, of the likeminded. retrievers are not thought police, but in certain lower levels, say, a criminal type may think that there are thought police everywhere. it just depends on the individuals consiousness.

Harvey, there are no new rules here. it's a peer moderated forum. that means if you have a problem with someone here, you push the button where it says peer moderator input. you explain your problem, the administrator looks into it, and if there's a genuine problem, it will be taken care of. I suggest you read the guidelines. It just says be respectful of everyone's beliefs, don't call each other names, etc. very easy rules to follow. I think its a very democratic process here and it's been functioning many years, while I've seen other forums do belly flops in no time at all. so something good must be happening here for it to last so long.

Dood, I like you, theres a spaceship coming on the 14th to Alabama, did you read my post? I mean, it's supposed to. we'll see.

we're reaching a consensus agreement theres only thought police in the individual mind.

just something to pass on I learned about our minds and our choices we make about who we think we are, as in self image.

there's perception. perception comes from our 5 senses.
it's what we see, feel, taste, touch, hear. yet these are only perceptions, we file away in our data system mind.

then we look at what is knowledge? knowledge and perception is not the same thing. it's to say, we perceive a book cover. we then judge a book by it's cover.

We cannot escape from doing that. but we can perhaps gain something like knowledge if we consider to open the pages of the book, just to make sure we are not judging that book by it's cover.

what happens in the mind is that we have a paradigm, a bunch of perceptions which equal a belief system.
a belief system is like the steam which propels a steam engine along.
As years go by our mind is able to find support for the belief system we possess and more perceptions are generated.
the belief system is not right or wrong. we all have several in place.

the point of all this, is if you one day change your belief system your mind will then begin to gather new perceptions to support the new belief system, as you are now focusing in another direction.
it can be uncomfortable as there may be conflicting belief systems residing together.
however it helped me to consider perceptions follow knowledge rather than knowledge following perceptions. it's like a sequential development you can rely on.

about PUL, that is a mind expanding consideration also, as the more PUL in a situation, the more is expanded the senses, which are perceptions, to see more, taste more, feel more, hear more, etc.

which I think is why Bruce's books will talk about this PUL, because it is connected to our mind's ability to expand awareness.