What is the most convincing moment you have had confirming your immortality?

Thanks,
Pedigree

Alan

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There are a couple of reasons why I do not agree with this. 

First of all, Source Consciousness, or God, most certainly exists on a level far outside of our physical concept of time.  I believe that on the level of Source, all things happen simultaneously.  In other words, God exists in an eternal moment in which all things that have happened in a past or future are occurring in the present now.  Therefore it is impossible for God to ever have been alone or ignorant(same as in the dark, or having lack of knowledge, which is light). 

Secondly, your statement seems to assume that the physical universe is the only system that exists, and before the big bang- the creation of the physical universe- there existed nothing.  This is false.  There are an infinite number of different systems of experience, and I am sure the physical system is not the oldest or the first.   

Another thing I'd like to mention is that God, AllThatIs/Source Consciousness, is not the only one creating worlds and universes, for all consciousness, no matter how undeveloped, has these same powers of creation, although they may be latent to whatever extent the being is developed.  For all we know, our physical universe could have been created by a very advanced consciousness with incredible creative powers, yet still far removed from the level of Source Consciousness.

Just some things to ponder.

Hawkeye

I agree, with my first out of body experience came the realization that I am much more than my physical body, and that there exists more dimensions than just this one- however, none of this seemed to prove my immortality. 

I experience the reality of my immortality through direct knowing when I venture to higher realms to existence while out of body or in other altered states of consciousness.

Some confusion to the question may arise from the meening of the word itself ...immortal.
Oxford..living forever, unfading, likely or worthy to be famous for all time, person of enduring fame, gods of antiquity

Therefor I don't feel that I am "immortal". I am no God, not worthy of being famous, and I will not "live" forever. (exist perhaps) I do know that I will only experience body death, but I will continue to exist as a being that is "more than my physical body" ( thanks Bob) That's what the OOB experiences I have had, have shown me.

One of my WOW factors: when I did the retrieval of some one who was dying of cancer. I did not know that she passed. I saw her during the ramdom retrieval, I said ---Oh--you're here.
My mother called me within that hour and said that her dear friend's daughter passed away an hour ago.

I said---WOW

identcat wrote on Oct 7^th, 2008 at 9:25pm:


hah, I'd say WOW too if I experienced that!

I've had a number of wow moments, so it is hard to pick just one. Below are some experiences I've shared on this forum before.

-One was my night in heaven experience. This was back when I was an atheist/agnostic.  One night, for whatever reason, I found myself in a heavenly realm.  It started with my understanding that the person of Jesus Christ did exist, and he plays a key part in divine reality. This was an automatic knowing. I was able to think according to my old way of understanding plus according to what I understood during this experience. It really surprised me to see that Christ is a part of divine reality. I couldn't provide you with the details, but what I felt didn't feel restrictive like fundamentalism.

I continued to experience a light realm but without thoughts of Christ.  I understood that I shared a realm with many beings, yet I didn't see nor hear anybody. The happiness level was absolutely wonderful.  The problems of the World were completely gone. It was such a relief.  Not only did I understand that the afterlife existed, I completely understood how it was possible for it to exist without having to think about it. It was a natural knowing. It was like, "Oh yeah, this is how it is."  I also felt like this is where I belong and what reality is actually about. When the experience ended I saw a bright star flash and figured it was a symbol for Christ.

When the experience was over I was really dissapointed to find myself back in the World. For whatever reason, I forgot about this experience for years. When I got around to remembering it, I remembered it better than I did the days that immediately followed the experience.  I can't experience the full impact of the experience simply by thinking about it, but I do remember this. When I had the experience I was absolutely certain about what I was experiencing and understanding.

In a way this experience was like a near death experience without a close to death event taking place.

-One night while doing guard duty when I was in the Army, I first understood that this World isn't what I imagined it to be, and then I understood with complete certainty that I'm not the body based person I believed myself to be. I understood that I was some kind of spirit being, without completely understanding what this meant. I also understood without a shadow of a doubt that there is no such thing as  a particular moment of time or a particular location. I also understood how it is possible for God to be everywhere.  I also understood how amazing it is that anything exists at all.

-One night I was meditating and trying to open up to love. My spirit guidance showed me the remote control to my television set. At first I thought they were suggesting I forget about it and just watch TV. Then I realized they were suggesting that I switch the channel as I meditate. I tried to do so but couldn't. I said: "I'll do it one of these days." My guidance replied: "We know." They said it in such a tender and understanding way I let go and opened up to divine love more than I ever had before. I felt like I was in touch with the most beautiful thing possible, even though I didn't see nor hear anything. The next night while I lay in bed awake with my eyes closed, I saw a white light flash, and I was told: "Anytime you want." I know my guidance was talking about my divine love experience.

-One night I had three back to back dreams where I had to find the inconsistencies before the dreams would come to an end. It seemed like a week passed during the first dream. As the third dream came to an end I understood with absolute certainty that my dreams were created by an intelligence beyond my own intelligence.  When I woke up I was in an expanded state of consciosness with lots of energy running through me. I heard a voice say: "Just as you found inconsistencies in your dreams, find inconsistencies in your waking state."  I asked if I'm in contact with my I-there (disk). I could hear and feel numerous voices respond yes. They were really happy that I finally made contact with them.  I could see white points of light flash around my room, and I figure these came from my I-there members. I say I-there rather than disk, because I hadn't read anything by Bruce Moen at this time.

There are a bunch of other experiences that convinced me, but these came to mind first. Regarding my first OBE, I had one years ago without knowing that such a thing exists. The next day I went to the library and for some reason grabbed a book off of a shelf without knowing what it was about, and it was about astral projection. It described what I experienced the night before.