Hi Dev, and welcome.

Having been down the accident route several times and had multiple surgeries too this is a question I've pondered as well. To the point of trying to hold on to consciousness as an anaesthetic was given to me before surgery (the initial injecton) - although with no luck, I just blacked out. (probably just as well )

My best guess is that what we perceive as self consciousness is just a dream run by the much larger, more collective and higher aspect of mind (still a part of ego) we don't normally have conscious access to unless we're a very accomplished spiritual practitioner.

That dream it's taught is designed to keep us bound to this reality - to have us believe that this world/universe is the only reality, leading to beliefs and attachment which further reinforce this. The thinking intellect, brain and body are a part of the reality too.

My best guess is that we black out in incidents like you describe because whatever happens shuts down the thinking intellect - which is all we're truly aware of in this dream.

That doesn't mean we don't have all sorts of existence at higher levels we're aware of too (but in some other state), but the analogy I've heard is that it's like waking up from a dream - we snap (or as you say 'click') from one reality to the next and in the normal state don't necessarily retain any memory of the last.

This is possibly similar to snapping from an OOB state back to normal awareness - the skill we're trying to learn to go OOB is surely not how actually to do it (we seem to do it all the time), but rather to retain awareness is our normal state of consciousness while we are doing it.

That's just one view, be interested to hear what others have to say. That Chinese gentleman sounds interesting, especially if he has a real understanding of what he's doing...

Hi Bets. Another way of looking at it may be that the question of what's 'me' or 'I' and what's intelligence is not as definite as we perceive it in C1 consciousness in this life.

Meaning as you say that higher levels of consciousness entail higher more collective sorts of awareness and different varieties of knowing which as you say may not translate back to C1 understanding.

And as above that inasmuch as we migrate between states we normally click out of one into the other with little residual awareness....

betson wrote on Sep 29^th, 2008 at 10:08am:


Hi Betson....thanks for your response.
There's nothing like asking questions to get your answers from out and in.Your comment about "returning to our ordinary frame of mind" may have a lot to do with "unconsciousness".Quite a few so called enlightened teachers have all said that we are always conscious even when asleep,they say "why do you say "I have been asleep" if you weren't aware on some level of being asleep"?.I have a feeling that has come to me since I put out this question and the this this....Pure awareness without some confining, organizing, limiting structure would be awake in the totality of all creation.Therefore awareness (us) needs numerous levels of planes or Focus levels to function in a more localized manner .Like stepping down the area of consciousness until it reaches our own Earthly dense space time level.So unconsciousness is most likely a state where the Soul/Astral Being is not in space time nor the next level up,what is commonly called astral....so awareness does not have a level to function in so temporary unconsciousness.The many levels are mostly in what we call the quantum level now.I feel I have answered my own question now in part.Thanks for the input.

betson wrote on Oct 1^st, 2008 at 9:48am:


Yes Bet i agree; when we do get in touch with guidance it's just a matter of asking and normally you get a clear answer if we listen..
  for Guidance.
PUL R.

Dear Lucy
Thanks for your response...Yes I have gone deeply into our dear friend Eckardt Tolle. I understand what he says very deeply.Firstly I am not depressed so don't need to take that road,i.e. the two I's..etc.
However lets mention the sometimes judged element "Ego" Ego is a structure for living on the Earth Plane..Actually I don't think you can do without it.Its like the house you live in.The problem with most egos is the fact that it emerges from childhood ;its the foundation of our conditioning,all that we were brought with,our language, our school education,our parents values or lack of...etc. etc. our hurts.
So one's ego when arriving at adulthood is often a bloody mess of confusion,false values and beliefs and cultural ignorance  plus much more that takes too long to write about here.You know what I mean I am sure.So a time comes to many of us through often stressful and painful life experiences we a re led to have a deep look into this "ego"; a time to explore the make up of that structure that we came to know as "I".The moment that decision is made the ego starts to change /modify...the very looking involves awareness as Eckhardt says so beautifully,who is looking at the house "I*" am living in?. So we embark on a life long path of inquiry.What riches we uncover eh?We come to a point where we have the realization that we are an infinite being trying to fit into a limited house/ego that was built by our forbears who generally knew nothing more than that shape or size, that limitation which they didn't see as a limitation.They passed on all that they knew and didn't know.So we arrived with a bag of wisdom and ignorance.Our path and challenge is to find the Truth and Love and Wisdom, that was always there behind the noise of Maya/Illusion.
BTW...how do you become a "Super Member"?
That is what I want to share today..
Love from Devayan.
ps. therefore I feel./know that the ego is a Matrix that can constantly evolve and change as we continue to explore the essence of our Being.This and only This will change our Planet into a state of PUL.The challenge then is always to be open to breaking out of the Ego Matrix over and over again.And I am sure you know that everytime we break out of the Matrix we suffer a  what I call "A Little Death"! Its the only way so we always have to confront "Death"We can't leave our current Matrix without going through a form of death/surrender/letgo..Not always easy.I like you get very comfortable with our current status.Its hard to leave the "Comfort Zone" and surrender to the 'Great Unknown".But what a Divine Path awaits us.A spiritual Warrior will make great gains by facing "Death"

Hi,

Unconsciousness is just a blank in your physical (your brain) memory. You will remember everything one day as I did in my nde life review.

Nothing is really forgotten. Everything is retained in your ethereal higher self.

Take Care

Alan