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Problems I have with heaven such as endless bliss (Read 11416 times)
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Re: Problems I have with heaven such as endless bliss
Reply #15 - Sep 15th, 2008 at 1:40am
 
I agree Alan is a rascal, but he's also an innovative style prodder, type of afterlife professor.

however Alan, I won't take your bait!

Dude, I've been thinking some about other physical realities. It might be a good partnered exploration project to bring up. see what we come up with. I'm sure this is not the only ELS.

I think bliss consciousness and happy human consciousness are two different concepts. both may be understood as states of being, or states of consciousness.

both I see as avenues the total self works on during a life or life times. the pursuit of happiness is even in our constitution, as a right of a citizen, so that implies we are not happy when we arrive here but we pursue happiness.
the reason we don't like the idea of bliss is we don't have it, and if some guru has it, and we don't have it, we might get into trouble following the pursuit of bliss as an escape route, instead of just dealing with our here and now problems, learning situations, and relationships, as a part of the world consciousness.
I'm just saying we each have the truth within. it's not on the outside, and it's not in the location known as heaven.

I love singing other people's songs Alan, as in karaoke, because music of all sorts, is eternal melody, eternal rhythm (order) eternal harmony and reminds me of our Oneness.

I am looking for a planet where they sing instead of talk. wish me luck!
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Reply #16 - Sep 18th, 2008 at 4:36am
 
Here is my true perception of the heavens

Heaven is just one of countless dimensions, it is the door way to countless challenges, ceaseless learning

It is the first realm of the afterlife The reason so many who have had NDE come back with different descriptions of heaven is that one is eased into heaven with "familiar surroundings" than that of physical life.

That is why we hear of people in cloths or clothes and little cottages beside a river.

But the soul must move on to higher reality into harmonious vibrations of great intensity and joy. We become able to comprehend much of the Divine Mind as we progress through great realms of pure thought and love. We interact with all other sentient life, both physical and spiritual.

Souls interact when their vibratory intensities harmonize and merge into immense beautiful madalas of colors unknown in the physical realities it is really birds of a feather flock together in the afterlife. So the bleak and dark will congregate with those of their own kind.

Graduations from these heavens is necessary just as graduations from the highest heavens continue forever,

God never ceased to create he is the ceaseless creator reaching out with us toward infinity

There is no end to this great journey, we interact with all existence, merge, and submerge in infinite love and joy.

We approach the infinite light that pervades all of existence this great mind that sustains everything. We become co creators with god all souls first in our universe and then in billions of others.

Heaven is not a place of rest because no one there gets tired. It is a new lease on life. But you can rest if you like, nothing is forbidden in heaven, if it were heaven would not be heaven


All thought and minds are open and communication is mind to mind or telepathy. Thus dark minds must keep to their own until new light enters their souls and they are able to merge with higher souls in the everlasting progress of life

There is a never ceasing experience for evolved souls of merging with the light God. It is like having your body explode in a pleasant way and becoming a million different atoms.

Each atom can think its own thoughts and have its own feelings. You feel all at once what it feels like to be everything and everybody

The mind of the soul expands outward to encompass the universe until it embraces all of existence becoming all in all with God. All knowledge is known.

Heaven is a place of imagination. Heaven is exactly what our imagination needs it to be.

In heaven, where all people really love each other, there are no inhibitions, or need for them. Everyone does exactly as they please; which works out well because only the best in each person survives, and good is all anyone ever wants to do. This allows a freedom and happiness that people on earth cannot imagine.

Of course, there is no sin or evil in heaven

People don't go to heaven because of their good deeds. It's what you are that counts.

Each soul has a "job" to do, a position to fill in the greater scheme of things. All souls grow and continue to learn in heaven. After death, each soul has to rise as best it can through a hierarchy of heavens and face the increasingly difficult challenges posed by God of each level or dimension of heaven. We continue to progress towards the infinite.

Things in heaven do not age, don't get dirty, don't wear out, and do not get tired.  Everything is kept pure by God.

Our deceased pets appear in heaven the way we remember them, only younger and more vital. We can communicate with them telepathically. They also have dwelling places of their own

I use the term heaven in the singular as well as the infinite plural. Heaven embraces everything, because heaven is GOD

Alan

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Reply #17 - Sep 18th, 2008 at 12:45pm
 
What if a person is the kind of person who likes to look at the the last page of a book before finishing the book? Smiley
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Reply #18 - Sep 18th, 2008 at 2:24pm
 
Recoverer,

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What if a person is the kind of person who likes to look at the the last page of a book before finishing the book


A good point, but life is not really a book. I see what you mean as we progress through experiences in this life r in afterlife dimensions we often get glimpses of later pages to spur us on. Of course we can’t read the whole book at once; we must learn each page and evolve to higher dimension.

If we could just jump into the last page it might be  much to hot maybe we will not be able to comprehend even frightened by what we are observing.

A first grade learner will be lost in the twelve grade. But there are ascended masters that can skip many of the pages of your book as they are already highly developed souls, before passing over from physical to spiritual life


Most babies cannot relate to the world of an adult, but there are very rare exceptions to every rule

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Reply #19 - Sep 18th, 2008 at 8:04pm
 
recoverer wrote on Sep 18th, 2008 at 12:45pm:
What if a person is the kind of person who likes to look at the the last page of a book before finishing the book? Smiley


I've done that before R, but I found it's the journey that matters more than the destination, so I ended up (if it's a good book) going back to page one like a good little girl. being I'm quite mentally active, it takes a huge amount of discipline to read anything these days and retain what you've just read.

call it mind training then. the reward is the concentration gets better after awhile. Roll Eyes


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Reply #20 - Sep 19th, 2008 at 3:36am
 
Hey Alysia

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I've done that before R, but I found it's the journey that matters more than the destination, so I ended up (if it's a good book) going back to page one like a good little girl. being I'm quite mentally active, it takes a huge amount of discipline to read anything these days and retain what you've just read.



Yes if we could jump to the last page and read it, we would be insatiably curious about what the previous page or pages were all about and get lost in the future.

We only really exist in the now, yesterdays are gone and tomorrow is not yet

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Reply #21 - Sep 19th, 2008 at 10:22am
 
The main reason I want to turn to the last page is because I want to see that all beings find happiness, peace and love.
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Reply #22 - Sep 20th, 2008 at 7:34am
 
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The main reason I want to turn to the last page is because I want to see that all beings find happiness, peace and love.


Even Hitler and his like? I dont want to share heaven with Hitler

In Hitler’s heaven only blue eyed blond Caucasians would be welcome and by this he would disqualify himself from that morbid place


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Reply #23 - Sep 20th, 2008 at 10:43pm
 
Quote Alan: "In Hitler’s heaven only blue eyed blond Caucasians would be welcome and by this he would disqualify himself from that morbid place"

Unless he has changed his mind. Why should one stay eternally what one has been in physical life? The body has died, the physical person isn't existent anymore. In this sense, Hitler isn't existent anymore.

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Reply #24 - Apr 21st, 2016 at 3:28am
 
Alan McDougall wrote on Apr 21st, 2016 at 3:26am:
Look at this one also?


Now go ahead kick me off the forum!
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