Actually, I thought the way I heard it was that in the life review, you get to experience everything from all perspectives.

I guess for a sociopath that could set up some interesting reverberations....could you end up being psyched by your own fear? feeding on your own fear? of course, if we are all interconnected, that is what is happening anyway. And what does the one who is the victim in C1 experience in the life review? Hmmm, I never thought about that before. Does the victim experience whatever it is that the sociopath experiences?

oh yuck. It was easier when I could just think of someone as either victim or perpetrator.

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Blink-

Yes, that is true regarding how people describe their life reviews.  However, the catch is that, as far as I know, there is nothing in the literature that deals with true sociopaths/psychopaths.

Consider this definition:

"The psychopath is defined by a continual seeking of psychological gratification in criminal, sexual, or aggressive impulses and the inability to learn from past mistakes (italics added). Using Freudian terminology, the psychopathic personality occurs when the ego can't mediate between the id and the super-ego, thus allowing the id to run off the pleasure principle, and the super-ego has no control over the actions of the ego. In other words, individuals with this disorder gain satisfaction through their antisocial behavior as well as lack of a conscience."

So a life review, revealing to the psychopath the emotions felt by those he killed, would seem to have limited or no value.  In fact as I stated before, it may very well just excite him.

Again, I don't think we should identify a psychopath's actions as the result of a belief system.  It seems to be, rather, the result of a severe personality disorder.

Yes, that is a definition of a person. I will agree with that.

Whether it is true or experienced in the way that we do here is still questionable to me. I find many things quite different over there in explorations.

It seems that many people, as Bets mentioned, have pre-existing conditions, physical ones, half-way states from which they exit, and other preoccupations.

Certainly, there seems to be a range of experiences to be found. Whether one is forced to participate is another matter.

I have found much in the readings to indicate supervision, and a loving presence which has a greater understanding than the individual crossing over.

Maybe that's all I'll ever know.

Rog_B wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2008 at 8:33am:

Bets-

I have to agree about the title of this thread.  First of all the term "religious right" is pejorative.  It is almost always used to express contempt for Christians who happen to be politically conservative.

Second, it states that this group has an agenda to entrap souls.  That's a bit much.  Other groups can be said to have the same "agenda" as well.

Fortunately the thread didn't go off in that direction.  Good point.  Looks like we are our own best peer moderators.

Kathy-  well, I'll accept that some psychopaths are loving to their parents or siblings.  The point is, I don't know how a life review, from everything I've read, can be a teaching tool for them.  But then again, perhaps so.  The older I get the more I realize I don't really know that much.

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This would only be the case when the life review would leave the reviewing person an observer, a watcher, but not when the reviewing person would actually feel as if being the other persons in this review. I hold this for possible.

One time in a meditation, I asked for informations about what I was before I had my first incarnation on earth. I received some impressions which showed a being which was absolutely cold hearted and arrogant. It destroyed other energy systems and consumed it's energy. After the first trip down to earth the identity of this me-being had totally changed. It (me) had been confronted with the limitations and laws of earth life, and it's arrogance had broken down to give space for humbleness.

Spooky

hawkeye wrote on Aug 21^st, 2008 at 6:12pm:


Not necessarily, Hawkeye.  I know a Satanist online, and he doesn't think that where he is going will be a nice place at all.  However, he apparently has some type of belief system where there is a hierarchy in the Hell he believes in, and he thinks that if he does certain things, he might be able to get high enough up in it that it won't be as bad for him there as it will be for other people.

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The way I see it, The Moen/Monroe model only conflicts with existing organised religion at a fundamentalist level.  If you've progressed past that, however, to me it's entirely possible to integrate belief in a God from the existing organised religions with said model. 

If anything, I'm inclined to believe that it makes belief in God even more positive than before; because this model of the afterlife demonstrates in a very practical, tangible way that there truly is no judgement.

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Religions at an immature and fundamentalist level, yes.  However again, it's important to remember that pretty much all of them have a higher esoteric tradition as well, and the basic beliefs of those are all more or less the same.

excuse me if I seemed testy..
Its not that I think that these many religions or doctrines think that they could potentially be doing an entrapment.  They may call their areas "Heaven" and think its very important to have their followers going there. That would be because if your not there then your in hell. One or the other. Black or white. Left or right. Now I recall a retrieval story about a woman who was stuck. Not believing she was good enough to perhaps get into this so called heaven she had been raised to believe in. Stuck in a purgatory of nothingness. Then during the retreveal she was assisted in moving along through the M Band to F26 and poof off she went only to get stuck there. Not that she wasn't happy to be in her so called heaven. Just not ready to move farther along. Not even as far as F27. So is that good enough? Being superficially happy because you managed to reach an area that someone else has told you is the place you should be going? Well, I feel empathy for those who choose that path. Entrapment into others beliefs whether that is the Pope or the Krishna or the blah blah blah. That goes for F 27 as well. Not good enough. There is more to existence than just F27, home, the Park. While reviewing a Bob Monroe interview I came to an area where Bob had remembered why he left his home. Its not that it wasn't beautiful. Or a great place to spend time(?) It was repeating, over and over again. The same games. The curls were stuck and unwilling to experience change. I can't count the times I have heard just those same things about earth and time here. Things repeat themselves. History has repeated itself. With the possibility of big changes coming in just a few short years, I'm ready. Ready for that change. I believe that coming to this site is all a part of that change. This post is a part of that change. If I can open just one person up to the possibility that there is "more", then I have done what I needed to by this lifetime. More than a fixed Heaven or belief system. More that just one lifetime. More than life and death. More than a doctrine of unforgiving, intolerant God where when you drop that body of yours, and you have done what they desired of you, then you can spend an eternity is their heaven. Sorry but that sounds like more of a hell than a heaven to me.