same page Ultra, just different words of Chinmoy.

some brief comparisons to offer: the vastness of mind he's talking about is a feeling (to me) of spaciousness.
if I can wax poetically, there are times during meditation, where there was so much light energy, that it was as if it were a physical light, and my brain could not accomodate it, and so I felt very spacious person with  like, too small a head...hahaha!

the promise to God mentioned at the last, is comparable, to my way of thinking, we do incarnate here with certain intentions to fulfill, certain experiences we wish, certain talents we wish to develop more fully, and I'd say this promise is like those intentions, where back in earlier decades, I used to hear my peers often muttering "have to find myself." then they rush off to first get some tranquilizers!
if we start to remember and implement to do what we do, whatever that is, to do what it is we love doing, we start then to remember this promise or intention which leads to that satisfaction Chinmoy's talking about.

If I compare Chinmoy's thoughts to what I learned in ACIM, there's no discrepancy, in that Chinmoy says we find fault with others, which is the same thing as judging others, projecting guilt upon them so to get rid of guilt within our own self.
He is saying see God in others instead. ACIM is saying trust your brothers who are one with you, as a way to get to the forgiveness part and then to the eventual love part for one another.

Without love, he is saying the world is meaningless.
ACIM is saying the world is unreal unless there is love.

my opinion? JC and Chinmoy are pals.
thanks for reading me Ultra. it is a pleasure to chat.

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  I don't know how true it is or not, but Cayce's source said that he did travel in India and other places   He was partly instructed by an Essene leader/prophetess who had him travel specifically to Persia to learn astrology, and like all Initiates of the time, went to Egypt to be tested.

Apparently, he learned some things in these various lands, but mostly relied on inner intuition and living a life of service, compassion, kindness, etc. to others.
That latter especially, along with regular meditation, opens you up more to "truth" than anything else.   All of those various teachings, came to be through people less intune than he, so how necessary or helpful were they?   He was born at such a level, to not have needed these, though i'm not saying they weren't helpful to him at all. 

  Here is a particularly detailed reading regarding much of this, and i share this because i know you are familiar with and like some of Cayce's stuff.

"11. (Q) Please give facts about Jesus' education in Palestine, the schools He attended, how long, what He studied, and under what name He was registered.
(A) The periods of study in Palestine were only at the time of His sojourn in the temple, or in Jerusalem during those periods when He was quoted by Luke as being among the rabbi or teachers. His studies in Persia, India and Egypt covered much greater periods. He was always registered under the name Jeshua.

12. (Q) Please describe Jesus' education in India, schools attended - did He attend the Essene school in Jagannath taught by Lamaas, and did He study in Benares also under the Hindu teacher Udraka?
(A) He was there at least three years. Arcahia was the teacher.

13. (Q) Did He attend the schools in Jagannath -
(A) ALL were a portion of the teachings as combined from the Essene schools, but these were not the true Essene doctrine as practiced by the Jewish and semi-Jewish associations in Carmel.

14. (Q) Did He study in Benares also under the Hindu teacher Udraka?
(A) Rather that as indicated, - Arcahia.

15. (Q) Please describe Jesus' education in Egypt in Essene schools of Alexandria and Heliopolis, naming some of His outstanding teachers and subjects studied.
(A) Not in Alexandria, - rather in Heliopolis, for the period of attaining to the priesthood, or the taking of the examinations there - as did John. One was in one class, one in the other.

16. (Q) Please describe Jesus' contact with schools in Persia, and did He at Persepolis establish a method of entering the Silence as well as demonstrating healing power?
(A) Rather that was a portion of the activity in the "city in the hills and the plains." [Persian incarnation as Zend]

17. (Q) Name some of His outstanding teachers and subjects studied.
(A) Not as teachers, but as being EXAMINED by these; passing the tests there. These, as they have been since their establishing, were tests through which ones attained to that place of being accepted or rejected by the influences of the mystics as well as of the various groups or schools in other lands. For, as indicated oft through this channel, the unifying of the teachings of many lands was brought together in Egypt; for that was the center from which there was to be the radial activity of influence in the earth, - as indicated by the first establishing of those tests, or the recording of time as it has been, was and is to be - until the new cycle is begun.

18. (Q) Why does not the Bible tell of Jesus' education, or are there manuscripts now on earth that will give these missing details to be found soon?
(A) There are some that have been forged manuscripts. All of those that existed were destroyed, - that is, the originals - with the activities in Alexandria.

24. (Q) Did Jesus study under Apollo and other Greek philosophers, and was it through educational contacts that the Greeks later came to Him to beg Him to come to their country when the Jews cast Him out?
(A) We do not find such. Jesus, as Jesus, never appealed to the worldly-wise.

26. (Q) In one Reading we are told the Wise Men came from India, Egypt, and Gobi; in another Reading we are told the Wise Man who brought the incense came from Persia. Which is correct, and besides the Wise Men Achlar and Ashtueil, what were the names of the other two Wise Men?
(A) Both are correct. There was more than one visit of the Wise Men. One is a record of three Wise Men. There was the fourth, as well as the fifth, and then the second group. They came from Persia, India, Egypt, and also from Chaldea, Gobi, and what is NOW the Indo or Tao land.

32. (Q) Please describe Jesus' initiations in Egypt, telling if the Gospel reference to "three days and nights in the grave or tomb," possibly in the shape of a cross, indicate a special initiation.
(A) This is a portion of the initiation, - it is a part of the passage through that to which each soul is to attain in its development, as has the world through each period of their incarnation in the earth. As is supposed, the record of the earth through the passage through the tomb, or the pyramid, is that through which each entity, each soul, as an initiate must pass for the attaining to the releasing of same, - as indicated by the empty tomb, which has NEVER been filled, see? Only Jesus was able to break same, as it became that which indicated His fulfillment.

And there, as the initiate, He went out, - for the passing through the initiation, by fulfilling - as indicated in the baptism in the Jordan; not standing in it and being poured or sprinkled either! as He passed from that activity into the wilderness to meet that which had been His undoing in the beginning."  From Reading 2067-7


"21. (Q) Tell about Judy teaching Jesus, where and what subjects she taught him, and what subjects she planned to have him study abroad.
(A) The prophecies! Where? In her home. When? During those periods from his twelfth to his fifteenth-sixteenth year, when he went to Persia and then to India. In Persia, when his father died. In India when John first went to Egypt - where Jesus joined him and both became the initiates in the pyramid or temple there.

22. (Q) What subjects did Judy plan to have him study abroad?
(A) What you would today call astrology." From reading 2067-11

I believe it is a mistake to claim that Jesus taught the same thing that Eastern teachings taught. Eastern teachings are based too much upon there being no such thing as an eternal soul and this World being nothing but an illussion. With Eastern teachings there is an emphasis on pure consciousness to an extent that it is hard to imagine that the magnitude at which love exists is understood.  With Eastern teachings God often takes a secondary role and in the case of a religion like Buddhism plays no role at all.   

Going by my experiences and the messages I received it isn't a matter of reverting back to where only "one" self abides in a state of pure consciousness. This would be reverse evolution.  The goal is to get to the point where many souls and God exist eternally in a wonderful state of peace, beauty, joy, knowledge and love. 

Going by the instruction I've received, Christ most certainly knows that there is such a thing as eternal Souls and these Souls have unlimited potential, once they get around to living according to divine wisdom and love.  Souls aren't going to stop existing because somebody goes through an intellectual dialogue which contends that such a thing isn't possible. Awareness, the energy of life, and the mind that directs the energy of life according to its knowledge, all work together to maintain the reality of a soul.  Souls are intially created by higher levels of being.  Souls end up being quite ingenious. They know how to be one and many at the same time.

Regarding this World being unreal, Christ loves it way too much to speak of it as unreal while many people and animals still suffer within it. The intelligence that created this World does exist. The energy that was used to create this World also exists.  When Souls live in this World either as a person or an animal, they do in fact experience its existence. This World won't exist forever and doesn't represent the only manner in which the energy that is used to create it can exist; nevertheless, it is real while it used.

Ultra posted:
"My child, what do you want? Do you want to love Me or do you want to prove to Me that you love Me? There is a great difference between your love for Me and your demonstration of love. Your love of Me and your wish to demonstrate your love for Me are two different things. You do not have to demonstrate your love to Me as long as you have the inner cry to love Me. This inner cry is not theoretical, but practicality Itself. It is the height of practicality. I am the eternal Lover and you are My mirror, so you have to know that when I look at you I see My own reflection. Remain My mirror and My Love of you will be your love for Me, for I see Myself alone here on earth and there in Heaven. I do not see anything as something other than Myself. I do not see anybody as someone else. I see only Myself, My larger Self, My universal Self, through you, My mirror. Through you I see Myself, My own reflection. Therefore, you do not have to prove your love for Me. Just maintain your inner cry to love Me devotedly, soulfully and unconditionally. This inner cry is not only My divine Will in you, but it is also My supreme execution of My divine Will in and through you. I love My creation. Therefore, I live in My creation. If it just cries to love Me, that is more than enough. I need no other proof. That is proof itself: the cry, the cry, the soulful cry, only for Me, only for Me.”



- Sri Chinmoy,  

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Recoverer responds: "Is Chinmoy claiming that worshiping him is the same thing as worshipping God? Say you're really happy and your friend is really sad. You help your friend become just as happy as you. Would you expect your friend to worship you as a God because you helped he or she, or would there be too much of an equality factor when it comes to the love you share? Would it be necessary for your friend to worship you as God in order for you to help your friend? Sure there would be some grattitude and mutually shared reverence and respect for each other, but one who helps simply for the sake of helping would never expect to be worshiped as God.

When it comes to God realization, all any of us can realize is that each of us is just one little piece of the many pieces of God's being that God used to create everything.

This might sound contradictory, but I actually find it very admiral that people are willing to have devotion to a guru they believe to represent God. It shows that they are willing to have feelings of love, humility, respect and reverence to that which is divine. I've been amongst these people, and many of them are quite wonderful.  I remember speaking to this really lovely lady after she left the guru based group both she and I were a member of. She said: "Our guru was false, but the love we felt was always real.

Here is Robert Bruce's answer to the question, "What is God?"

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This is coming from one of the most knowledgeable and experienced explorers on Earth.

I would say, from my own experience, that if you look for a loving God/AllThatIs you will find one.

The evidence cannot come from any one of us, personally, because it must be your experience.

That is all I know about it.

love, blink

Doc

So basically your question is whether the Source loves its creations or is in a neutral state about them.  I answered this question in my previous post to the best of my understanding.  Like I said before, the feeling of love we and all other consciousness experience is basically the feeling of source consciousness itself.  Therefore, the Source, at the highest level, is in an infinite state of love, and this should answer the question.