I do not believe we are separate.  We are simply the source consciousness individually and uniquely focused in a physical reality, and when we shift focus from our physical reality to higher levels of reality, we will then be source consciousness focused in those particular realities.

I do not believe we will become "self-aware atoms" within the Source Consciousness, for the same reason God cannot reconnect with all life.  Because this is already the case!  These self aware atoms are simply the consciousness of the Source itself, and being how we are the Source Consciousness focused in different realities contained within All That Is, then therefore we ARE these "self-aware atoms", we ARE the Source Consciousness.

What would God use other than his own being to create everything?  Does something other than his own being exist?

recoverer wrote on Jul 14^th, 2008 at 6:01pm:

Albert,
If this means I’m missed, it’s nice to know someone cares. Thank you. RL has been keeping me busy and I’ve been reading Tom Campbell’s trilogy, “My Big TOE” (TOE = Theory of Everything) which I have found to be fascinating.

Matthew, you always start the most interesting discussions! I don’t want to turn my post into a review of Campbell’s book, but I think you, Alan and others might be interested in his point of view as a physicist. I don’t know if you read the thread Dave started a few months ago where we were discussing God as primordial consciousness and potential, but it fit right in with Campbell’s TOE as well as the discussion on your thread here. Here’s his website: http://www.my-big-toe.com He has a series of videos on U-tube http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=CE5EA05F1F683940 of a lecture he gave and some interesting topics on his discussion board, plus several articles on the website.

I too, have on occasion found it a bit disconcerting to speak of God without speaking of Love. And that probably has more to do with ego than anything. I guess we are emotional creatures that recognize our purpose in life is to grow in love and understanding. From our limited point of view it is sometimes difficult for me to leave God and the love I feel out of that scenario. However, because of all the various experiences we’ve each had, along with our personal interpretations of them we are individuated consciousnesses and we all have different (individuated) ways of speaking as well as different ways of approaching the subject of God. I don’t think one way is necessarily better than another… just different… individuated.

When someone says “our source” or any other label for God I don’t think it means that I cannot read the label and not feel love because my emotions are just that… mine. I choose what I feel or don’t feel with my intention. In any circumstance I can choose how to direct my intent, which does affect both others and myself so I try to see it with love to the best of my ability.

I think your last post sums it up nicely. We’re part of the whole as well the whole, except we’re not fully conscious of the whole. Will we be at some point? Perhaps. I’d like to think so anyway.

Kathy

Justin,

You seem to have a problem with this thread, which I do understand; you are entitled to point out that we are discussing the unknowable.  Me, personally, I simply stay off threads which I find to be offensive, boring or as you mentioned "mental masturbation."  To each his own.

Yet the question of man's relationship to God has been talked of and debated for countless years.  While the ultimate answer won't be settled in this forum, it remains useful in the sense that we are basing our actions in life on how we define our relationship with God and each other.  Two biblical commandments, the love of God and love of our neighbors seem to be very important in both the old and new testament.

The question behind this thread is simple.  There are those who connect with the universe in an impersonal way, and who state quite authoritatively that they are God and he/she them.  They need not worship God because that is in the realm of religious dogma.  They mentally "get" that there is a unity between our individual consciousness and God, so they believe that they are divine but just don't quite know it yet.

On the other side of the coin, there is the notion of God as the source of life and love, to be revered as the unity we are part of - including a loving intelligence bigger than our individual selves.  You may have heard born again christians speak of a personal relationship with Jesus (Yeshua).  This is what I am speaking of.  I think the difference between an impersonal universe where we think of ourselves as "God in hiding," is a cold, potentially unloving (or narcissistic) place when compared to an existence in which God is acknowledged as a loving entity separate from our individuality.  This was the paradox I spoke of.

Where is the purpose of the afterlife, helpers, light beings, and guides we hear about from TMI and our own journeys, if not found in relationship to a loving, intelligent God?

Matthew

Guess what? Everybody's right here! end of discussion. 

ok, I can babble on this subject for hours, but first let me apologize, as we are all just circling and circling.

I think for me, it's just the idea of being in group with you all & getting to learn about what you're reading, thinking, experiencing and being able to be here and relate, so it's partly social outlet. or maybe it's entirely sociable and once in awhile somebody benefits, and says so.

definition of god-realization: when you don't care whether you're realized or not..u stay off threads like this. and I will get off  soon as I'm done

I'm in the I/There school of thought due to seeing myself "there".
I'm in the place Monroe was in the beginning. I also see movies in my head of my future, and then I watch my body live through those scenes with hardly any script changes allowed.
I do not use words like worship because they are no longer useful to describe contact with infinite wisdom and PUL. I am in that case absorbed by God and while surrendering there is no "me" to do the worshipping.

Instead, to use another word, I would say every man goes through painful experiences which act to set up a yearning to return to source, or God if you prefer. The yearning itself is a type of worship in a way, it is an energy in all us, sooner or later, which is a prayerful state of consciousness. Even at time, awe is there. it grows in momentum.

I am in a movie. like a probe, acting on stage. during an NDE, or similar type of experience, a temporary merge with God can be experienced. frequently, they are sent back to finish out the life; so we can assume physical incarnation serves a purpose beyond what we understand, even though that one, who has touched the hem of God so to speak, yearns to return. most the time these NDE's were just what was needed to change their inner life for the better, and were planned exactly so.

There will come a time we will all see how strongly we hold unto our belief systems, jealousy guarding them.


Belief systems, whatever you believe, has a rote on it. Each single belief is in truth connected to another set of beliefs.


the root system of most beliefs is that we are separate from God, therefore, we must have done something really bad. Our job towards enlightenment is basically, as I see it, help each other get home, and to see that we labor under the illusion we have rebelled against God and been casts out.

a belief system is different than perceptions.
as is interpretation different than a perception.

your perceptions will always follow your belief system. so change your beliefs, and your perceptions change accordingly.

all possibilities able to play out, once you begin to observe how your mind works.
for instance, when you believe something "new" your perceptions widen up to accept more possibilities for creating your reality, in ways that benefit others as well. Higher good prospects.

when I'm in prayerful thoughts, it is only "thy will be done on Earth as it is in heaven." I still find certain phrases of use to me, even in this new age, so I could say I'm worshipful of God, and I can also say I'm studying science of mind at the same time.
Religion has been twisted into something it was never meant to be. just look at all the holy wars down through history.
things need to change. we need to let the new age come in with a roar and go out like a lamb. the lion will indeed lie down with the lamb.
after I'm dead probably. 
Can anybody see ahead to the day with one world religion? that of brotherly love?
I can almost see it here sometimes...

DocM wrote on Jul 16^th, 2008 at 1:36am:


  Hi Mathew,

  No i don't have a problem with the thread per se.  But what i do disagree with somewhat is the "no, God is this, not that, etc" that's been bandied around back and forth some on this thread.   I don't think it's wise to go there when self isn't fully consciously and always at One with what we are talking about to begin with.  ONLY those who are, truly know, and thus can "teach" others about same in the most accurate and helpful manner (and chances are they will do it less through verbal instruction, than living a pure life of service, love, and self sacrifice in relation to others). 

  I'm not saying that it's wrong to express one's belief about it, and some people on this thread are only doing that, i'm speaking more to the ones doing the above and they know who they are. 

Btw, on a personal level, i resonate and agree with much of what you wrote re: the nature of God.  You have expressed those views very eloquently for the most part.

   I'm just trying to inject some perspective into the thread.  Perhaps i have come off overly critical and harsh, i wasn't trying to do that, but i can see the possibility or likeliness of people taking it that way. 

  In any case, i've said all i can and should say on the topic, and i will  leave your thread.   Otherwise, i would just be inanely repeating myself, and probably like some of those teachers i've addressed, speaking to hear myself talk.

All I can say is thank you God for my life.

P.S. to Kathy, yes, someone does care.