Hi guys, I am in alignment with Justin's comments. moving onto Ian's latest post, I see posting here as an experience, rather than an intellectual assignment.

I don't see the complexity of shedding belief systems and/or desire bodies really. I might be able to share a little more, but only based on my personal experiences as it relates to what I've learned so far by being a participant here, and utilizing Bruce's exercise when we examine our respective belief systems. It is not necessary to examine a belief system unless you have within a conflicting belief system.
A conflicted person does not have peace of mind.

It is because we can become "split" between two thought systems and make no forward progress if the mind is pulled in two directions.
thus we have fear and love, opposites, attempting to occupy the same place; one must choose, which it shall be, in order to have peace of mind.

I guess that's the simple explanation, but if we want, we do this, make it very complicated. what I originally thought about this thread topic is that, the board is smoothly going along, serving it's function as a place to perhaps pick up something about our afterlife areas.
Sooner or later, as in cycles, we enter a phase, like a rough patch. then it gets smooth again. I'm thinking in terms of group dynamics, as we all effect the group consciousness in some way.

what I was trying to sum up, we "invent" problems. I've caught myself doing this, even in my own little world, more so in the past then now, but I would worry needlessly about something, and blow it up into a much bigger problem than I needed to.
yes, I know too, I have been called a drama queen. that hurt! however, it was true, only then by recognizing I blow things up, can I change myself to be more realistic.

this brings me to Ian's question concerning what survives death. Neither do I have the answer for anybody about that. I make conjectures on that, based on obes of a personal nature, and nonsharable except in the most limited descriptions.

however, what I've noticed about belief systems, is we all carry about a self image of ourselves, which during interaction with others, who are indeed your own special mirrors to yourself, gets slaughtered.
dying to a belief system, which is a self image one carries, is very much like the process of an actual death, as you had supposed it was you, this self image, and we do cherish our self images, we wish to be protecting of this self image.

then as we go along in life, the self image changes, slowly sometimes, other times it gets smashed by events, loss of a job, marriage partner, a death..the more prominent things that happen in a life, are associated with how we see ourselves in relationship to the world at large.  what I'm trying to do is draw a relationship between what death is; as an experience we do, whether leaving the physical vehicle, or simply experiencing a loved one's leave taking from physical locale.

I would say the new consciousness to arrive on Earth, slowly marching on, is the awareness we have this ability to create a self image of individuality, yet know that it is the other's who make this very circumstance possible, to be an individual. we are dependent on each other, especially those who oppose us, in this sense.
so I would say to take notice how often self image does die here, and so it would not surprise me it would also be dying in the afterlife, if the self image were not real and true, of the higher Self, of what is eternally true.

I would have to end with Justin's remark that God is all of us, yet more than the sum of the total.

lol. this makes an excellent exit stage left point.
thank you Blink, for saying in two sentences what somebody else says in book length (who me?   the same thing.

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Yes, I have felt this presence before, as I have described in my first post.  I have felt the energy of the source, which is felt as an orgasmic feeling of love and joy.  This in no way disproves the existence of the source consciousness, or the "all that is", and it certainly doesn't prove the "loving god".  Which, by the way, you haven't even really defined what it is.  Perhaps you know this.  If you admit that god is an energy and the source of all things, then you basically agree with me.  I will show you why next.

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You got me all wrong, Doc.  How can the most aware consciousness of all, the source consciousness, not think??????? I have never stated that.  I have stated, however, that "god" is intelligent, AND not only loving, BUT IS WHAT LOVE IS!!!  The feeling of love is the experiencing of the source energy within you. The All That Is Consciousness loves its creations just like we love our creations (children) here on earth, or just like our higher selves love each and every one of its(our) aspects. 

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I do not believe the source consciousness to be characterless.. in fact,  it is the most charcter-full consciousness which exists, because it IS everything, and therefore IS infinite variations of every possible "character", or personality.  What I am saying is that it is not just ONE CHARACTER.  I believe that while "god" does have a consciousness all of its own, at a level we are not on, it also contains, it is, the consciousness of all things in existence, and therefore is one character AND all characters.

Swedenborg, while a great explorer, would most certainly have different interpretations of his experiences had he done his exploring in more recent times.  His experience of the presence of the "Lord" could very well be the same experience I had when I have felt the presence of the source energy within me (and everywhere).  The difference is that the Lord is an invented character from a book. He translated his experience through his belief system and those of the times. The energy I felt within me (and everywhere), however, is not a character from a book.  It was real, it was me, and it was everything, and the intuitive knowledge I possessed during these expeirences proved (to me) that this was the energy of the source, and that I was one with the source, for I was this energy. No heaven and hell, no Lord to slow my progress or cause troublesome translations and interpretations, just pure knowledge of my being and the being of the source and our unity. 

Doc said: "Yet some, believe we are all God already and concoct terms like a "higher self" or "oversoul" or "disc" to explain the greater vistas of love and unity.  These terms lose the relationshp and meaning of love in the end.  I believe Bruce once described physical life as a probe that returned back to its creative disc."

Recoverer responds: Believing in the higher self/oversoul/disk viewpoint doesn't mean that one doesn't believe in God.  Moen and Monroe spoke of a creator who exists at a higher level than disks. I believe in higher levels of being beyond disk level.  To say we are a part of God and live as if we are a part of God aren't quite the same thing. I figure when we live according to our higher selves we live as if we are a part of God. There are so many parts including the part that got the process of existence/life going, that our heads shouldn't get too big even when we get around to existing at higher self level. I figure that a being who exists at higher self level is way too humble to not understand about its origins and to be grateful accordingly.  

Dude said:  Swedenborg, while a great explorer, would most certainly have different interpretations of his experiences had he done his exploring in more recent times.  His experience of the presence of the "Lord" could very well be the same experience I had when I have felt the presence of the source energy within me (and everywhere).  The difference is that the Lord is an invented character from a book. He translated his experience through his belief system and those of the times. The energy I felt within me (and everywhere), however, is not a character from a book.  It was real, it was me, and it was everything, and the intuitive knowledge I possessed during these expeirences proved (to me) that this was the energy of the source, and that I was one with the source, for I was this energy. No heaven and hell, no Lord to slow my progress or cause troublesome translations and interpretations, just pure knowledge of my being and the being of the source and our unity.  

Recoverer says: Why did your hero Jane Roberts Seth provide "supposed" details about Jesus if he is just an invented character from a book?  Why didn't Jane just say that Jesus didn't exist, rather than make false statements about Jesus?

The manner in which experiences and messages have occurred for me, clearly did so in a manner that shows that the person of Jesus did exist, and his spirit still plays a key role in divine reality. 

I guess I could read some of those books that provide logical explanations for why Jesus the person didn't exist. The thing is, I know that lots of things can be made to sound logical even if they don't represent the truth. It is a matter of how effective the deliverer of such a message is at limiting a person's perspective so he or she will only consider the perspective being offered.  Trial attorneys are weary of having College Professors as jury members, because they know that due to their experience they are skilled at getting people to think in the manner they think.  I'll skip the logical arguments and go for what my experiences tell me.

Ok Dude.

Going by what I've read Emanuel pretty much had a Protestant view and believed that God, Christ and the holy spirit are one in a literal sense. Or in other words, he believed that the trinity viewpoint is wrong.


I Am Dude wrote on Jul 14^th, 2008 at 5:16pm:

Alan, you've been gone? Next you're going to tell me that Kathy has been gone.

I bet you God finds it a bit amusing at times when he listens in on these conversations.

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I BELIEVE....

God cannot reconnect with life because god was never disconnected to begin with.  God IS everything.  God IS all life, God IS all consciousness. 

Some people are under the notion that our goal is to reconnect with the Source Consciousness, to merge back into it. However, we must remember that we are never separate from it! We can only be under the ILLUSION that we are separate from it! Source IS us and we ARE Source.

Our goal is simply to be MORE of ourselves, to be MORE of who we REALLY are in our daily experience.  And because we ARE Source Consciousness, then therefore we must live more according to our innermost Source Consciousness. Doing this means loving ourselves unconditionally while loving everyone and everything else equally, and living according to our inner most joys and passions.