Right!

And then what happened?!  

If Lucifer were doing his job correctly, would we have more spiritual knowledge, or is the Afterlife a separate realm? What is Lucifer's assignment--just the earthy Earth ?

betson

Alan:

It's really hard to read that style of writing.

Where does this come from? I've noticed that different sources use the name lucifer in various ways.  Some believe Lucifer is a character in the Bible, as spoken about in the book of Isiah.  Back around 500 B.C. the book of Isiah didn't speak of a fallen angel named Lucifer. It spoke about a fallen king of Babylonia, a physical person. More than 800 years later translators added fallen angel language. I doubt they had a fact based reason for doing so.

When people use the name lucifer in various ways, I wonder where they are coming from.

Thomas:

What you wrote reminds me of the Islamic version of Adam and Eve. According to this source God created man in the form of Adam, told his angels to bow to Adam, one angel named satan wouldn't do so, God called this angel wretched etc and damned him for all of eternity. I don't remember the precise details, but basically got them right. Whatever the case, I don't believe this story for a second. Seems rather ridiculous. God couldn't get an angel to bow to Adam and therefor damned the angel? Really hard to believe.

There are a number of contradictory stories about Lucifer.  

Personally, I find it hard to believe in fallen angels. For one thing, if they are created by God for a special role,  could they actually fall? Some say they do so because of free will.  Free will doesn't mean we have to act foolish and become a fallen angel.  Look how it goes for people. They become bad usually because they are exposed to negative influences. What negative influences would an angel who abides in heaven be exposed to? Certainly such a being would know about the power of God and wouldn't try to take God on.  Such a being would understand that it is just one limited part of the infinity of God.  Certainly such a being would know about things such as love, humility, grattitude and reverence. Even if an angel did fall, I figure its connection to God would be partly severed, its love level would go down, and accordingly its energetic level would go down.

Perhaps there have been some aspects of God that became over curious. Parts of what they created have to find their way out of the confusion that was created.






tgecks wrote on Jul 3^rd, 2008 at 1:09pm:

I'm all for divine will.  

What if there was a man or woman who had a house for years and years. She arranged things so that this house is the most wonderful house possible. Because of her loving nature she made this house available to others. All of the love, happiness, peace, beauty and knowledge one could ever have is available. Would it be right for a person to suddenly come into the house and start making demands of how things should be? Or should this person have a little humility and show some grattitude for the invitation that was extended? Should this person consider the possibility that the lady and the housemates she lives with figured the absolute best way to live their lives within the house years ago? I'm not suggesting that a new person couldn't make some humble suggestions. Certainly we all have something to contribute to the potluck. But certainly it would be quite arrogant for this person to attempt to completely change the dinner plans.  I believe things extend beyond this story when it comes to God. A person wouldn't even exist if God hadn't gotten around to creating he or she. If rebelious angels do in fact exist, they aren't for me. They should stop being so arrogant and so lacking in grattitude.

In a way, perhaps each of us has a little rebelious angel within us. It enables us to have the choice of freewill. Which way do we want to choose? Does it trouble us to have humble, reverent and loving thoughts towards that which is divine?


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Hi alan and all  

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Love and God bless    love juditha

I'm not qualified to speak for God, but I would say that God would forgive anybody. That doesn't mean that the actions of unfriendly spirits should be aplauded as their unfriendly actions take place.

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I can understand how that might distress you, Recoverer. It is so difficult sometimes for agreement to take place on what is "creative" and what is "destructive" so that would certainly not be my own call, unless I somehow am connected to all that is.....and then, perhaps my opinion might matter, at least a little.