betson wrote on Jun 19^th, 2008 at 4:59pm:

Hi Bets,
Don't you think OBE is .... ehhh... little weird itself... to begin with?

Greetings,

Still dubious, eh, Still Living?
I'm waiting to hear what happens when YOU try OBs--
how're you doing with the Moen books?
I'm giving you the benefit of some doubts, SL-- mine, not yours.   
But since still waters run deep, I think you'll make it too.  Still living is a
fine state from which to enter meditations and OBs --- do get on with it !

Thank you, Alfred.  Lately you have been explaining several aspects of this field in ways that are so clear-   I think you have a great future here!   
IF  you take the coloidal gold, let us know how it affects you.   
So you're saying that arnica already claims to be working on the subtle bodies? Do you have a source that explains in what way it works? I can't read the fine print on those tiny tubes.

It's been said before, but these realms get clearer and easier to reach as one gains experiences with it.
I didn't used to believe it could be true either, SL, but it is.

Bets

Greetings,

I did find a clue at I And E Organics (www.iandeorganics.com )

They said

"Arnica (C) - for shock or trauma; helps the physical body to
re-connect with the higher self." *

So if one wants the physical body to stay connected to their higher self, arnica is good. But if one wants to separate the physical body from the higher self, arnica is not good.

So I guess I get to choose--I am getting an amazing amount of yardwork done while arnica is working. Wheee!     But if I want to explore spiritual dimensions while out in any way (I tried several ), I have to return to my normal level of pain and let my work go undone. 
hm-mmm, decisions, decisions. 

Bets

* that's what you said too, Alfred---many thanks! It just took awhile for it to sink in.

Hi Alfred,

I look forward to your posts, -- as always.

Last night I did some exploring of this arnica predicament which I'll sharein hopes it maybe make a helpful difference to some other explorers sometime. --

While using arnica I tried to use my inner hands (a la Carolyn Myss) to loosen some knots (see Jay Alfred on bioplasmic webbing.) I thought the hand thing might not work due to the previous sticky rubbery effect of trying to get OB. Instead, that process did work! They pretty much show up wherever one puts one's attention to focus them, just as they had before.  Yay!

So then I tried going OB again, thinking that I'd perhaps adapted to the arnica. Nope, and also no to my following attempts to phase out, then to leave through the 3rd eye and crown chakras.

So I concluded that the outer form, created by the physical, astral, and ethereal bodies, is bound firmer or made less maleable (?) by the arnica, but that within that structure, some energies (other subtle bodies?) that we use are still relatively free, although the hands were slower than usual.

For now I'm going to ease off my own explorations and opt for a arnica-induced painless study period.      I've experienced and know we (our consciousness es) exist in non-material realms. Now I want to consider the implications.

Bets