all of the great creative geniuses down the centuries seem to have had a strongly spiritual dimension -
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I think we will have in the future a merge of religion/science/spirituality...too bad I'll be dead..lol
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all creativity seems clearly to come from the heart or intuitive side. Intellect is essentially sterile
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what I hear u saying is intellect is not based in true reality..therefore only living an experience, gaining the essence from that, then sifting it thru the intellect, it comes out the other side, to intuitive expression, and I call this balance.
I agree intellect is very dry and sterile which I guess intellect is surface gliding in a way. which is why I am a proponent of hemisync to get both sides of the brain/mind active in balance. balance would happen anyway, but tools like hemisync are an aide to that process.
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mind/intention and energy.
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I mainly zero in on the mind's intention Ian. As we talk about intention a lot here (lol, last 8 yrs to be precise) I have developed a talent to pick up on a poster's intentions by learning of the intention setting business. as well we speak of the intention to do a retrieval or other self type exploration. Bruce gives us the example of the little finger bending intention setting mechanism.
I call that eye of the storm, that quiet place just before action starts, where the decision is made, to do whatever, here or there. basically agreeing with you, I'm just using my own words. from your script I found your intentions here to be pure. I hope u don't think I'm flattering you again, because, frankly, I'm not doing that. my intentions here are pure also. It's pure social I do here these days, but friends is all that counts to me, not that intellect stuff, but I like that too if it's on the menu.
I think pure intellect expressed wherever that's done, is mainly ego derived intentions, but rather unconscious intentions. as I see it, from ACIM we can view a definition of the ego, as that which must divide, measure, dissect, quarter, rationalize, judge, all this, not from knowledge, but through filtering through logical process and chucking out the result...lol, to me this is like barfing. haha!
sometimes I've barfed here I admit. the intuitive side of things, as I see it does not do those things like measure and divide and categorize, but instead involves a different type of expression where it tunes into the oneness of all functioning parts. PUL is sticky, ok? lol. no matter how intellectual I try not to be, in a forum, that's what happens in appearance. it's a great place to develop extra sensory perception as surely, you can't judge a book by it's cover, right? at least this would be ideal.
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What you don't believe simply does not seem to happen
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exactly.
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Yet we all experience this sort of thing in a practical way in life with the way that synchronicities seem to come big time into our lives once we open to the fact that they can and do occur
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about synchronicities. we can return to intentional setting for a look at how this happens. intentional setting has to do with (I learned this in ACIM) making a decision. what is it that makes the decision?
the mind of course. I find making a decision is harder than we think it should be. for most of us.
it is a state of fixated nonduality processing and in most cases, not reversible in it's effects.
What makes us surprised about these synchronicities, is the fact we can easily forget having made a decision. Life just seems to happen with these synchronicities evident.
yet synchronicities can be played with this way..to lend a sense of wonder to life, mostly lacking in the pure intellect surfer. the religious part of me, says this: your way will be made smooth, for these that love god with all their heart and soul and mind. (can u believe I have to listen to this stuff all the time?
I call this aspect DP, as you know.
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I have to say that I struggle with the rationalist/logical positivist/cynical viewpoint.
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I too struggle, although I appear not to talk of inner struggle as I've adapted a one-pointed nondual perspective; what u have perceived correctly as true aim. if u think this is ego talking, it's not exactly that, but more of what I call my intentions here manifesting, here or there and everywhere. the one pointedness comes from viewing what is real, and what just alludes to what is real. we lie (unconsciously) to ourselves in a duality world, and are unable to find God while we are denying God at the same time.
It's what is focused on which manifests as synchronicities. our minds are like camera lens that focus in on what is appearing as "outside" us, when really, there is nothing out there that is real. Notwithstanding evidence of PUL. lack of loving expressions implies a belief in scarcity. A belief in scarcity implies it is based on nothing, therefore it's an illusion, or not real, or a lie, an untruth, but the ego is great at manufacturing it's own confusion. we all deal with dogma whether in politics, religion or any pathway whatsoever. it might be described as playing in our s-h-i-t. lol. sorry. it's a part of ELS although we never received an instruction bundle upon incarnation. the best we can do is all that's expected. I like your thoughtfulness.
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The problem with this is of course that given the creative nature of mind the cosmos will behave accordingly for such a person. Not to mention that we always perceive in accordance with our preconceptions anyway - we can't help but not admit data that conflicts with our beliefs.
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what I hear u say is you are with an open mind and do wish to be growing and so you can't help but consider another's viewpoint, despite it makes u struggle even more, as it introduces conflict to do this. what u might do is consider this is a natural course, that you are in a state of duality and so you must consider both sides of any question in order to make a decision what is true, but only true for you, while you allow it to be true for other, as everyone is where they are supposed to be, if you regard life as a temporary undertaking for learning purposes. call it human evolvement, or spiritual growth, although it moves slowly, crawls actually, you are developing, and must see all as developing the same as you, in order to reduce that feeling of struggling and move into the synchronicities of the pleasant variety. What I gained from Bruce's books specifically, was to consider opposing, possessed belief systems as personages within my mental. I would invite them to the table and the 3 of us would begin a verbal exchange. I would remain in the back as observer position or a mediator. I would ask first one belief system (yes, it's a whole system of connected thoughts) what is your purpose here? the system would speak back. It would say something like "I am here at your service, and in your employ as you asked me to be here." example: Murphy's law I believed in. (everything that can go wrong, alas, does)
so then, I would turn to the opposing belief and ask "is this true?" Naturally, opposing belief structure, the new kid on the block would say nay, tis untrue. It's only true if you continue to believe it's true.
then I would once more speak to belief system number one to say, I am laying you off work, but I want you to know I appreciate your service to me, I understand you have served me well.
if this exercise is done properly, perhaps repeated a few times, belief system two becomes the manifested reality, and every thing that could go wrong no longer is seen to be true or outpictured in physical reality.
for me, usually belief system one fades off like a dawning sunrise displaces shadows. pretty naturally without a lot of struggle. I think the irony in this method is first seeing belief system one as real before you can make it unreal.
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It's like the cosmos 100% respects free will.
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u said a mouthful. lol. this mouthful is what Bruce used to say to me here, now I know what he meant. the cosmos is another word what I call God. the cosmos to me, is just a bunch of huge star beings, most romantic, but I don't know who hung them. unless it was god. free will is another way of saying we have choices here. u can listen to the heart or we can listen to what is a logical view, known as collective rumblings, I call it gossiping..if everyone believes it, then it must be true, right? wrong.
looking at life becomes like being enticed into buying a gossip rag looking for the truth, the more sensational the better. it's ego again. the problem with our struggle here, is most folks are not able to differentiate what is ego and what is heart talk. if we can see our oneness, our effect upon one another more clearly, we tend to relax our struggle to understand, we are all creating this world within our free will and have the capacity undo our errors, with the same power of decision which made the outpicturing of chaos.
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But the result is that to see beyond our reality tunnel we have to drop our belief that its all there is.
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that's why talking to ourself helps, described above.
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It's like we each go about our lives enclosed by this thought/belief bubble, this mini reality that forms around us in accordance with our preconceptions. The result seems to be that those that don't believe in the metaphysical are never forced to confront it, and so can sail on unperturbed in the certainty that their view of reality of the only one.
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it's my belief forcing anyone to believe anything is not a working principle of God. In the same way God did not force us to live on ELS. It never was a sentence imposed. That's why I say God did not create this world. We did. In unison. That is not to say it is a mistake. but it is to say it was a decision to individualize from what was one, into the many..to get experiences within matter.
people who are dogmatic in their approach are locked into a belief system. they are in jail of their own making. The approach to them is not to order them to get out of jail at gunpoint, but simply hand them the key and say it's your choice. we are not to meddle in another's belief system, that is what I learned, that it's all about taking care of my own garden. PUL is practicing noncoercive techniques and I know u do this, or know how, and then u will see more synchronicities.
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They are confronted every day with what they believe in, but that's rationalised as objectively existing
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we also believe a chair or table objectively exists. but consider that within science, they are saying the chair does not have existence, that under the microscope it is a thing of molecules vibrating with space inbetween each molecule, so what is it? it certainly appears as solid. so then we see it is making an appearance. when I'm dead then and vibrating at a higher frequency will the chair still be useful to me, and if I can create with my mind another chair after I'm dead, poof, we must be quite creative on the other side to do this with the mind..and so we created this whole world as well with our minds in unison, again, it appears the power lies in our unison creative abilities. u appear to be struggling with changing what's out there, rather than changing your own viewpoint about what's out there, and u notice this in others as well.
What we do here is to try to change another, over to our way of looking at it. Instead you can try another approach to that. Approach (I'm seeing you in your work) other, from a sharing station rather than, "you don't, you can't, you aren't" (negatives) approach, I am, you are, we are, we can, (positive) people respond better to possibilities presented for change, when the speaker is saying this strength is inside them, because you can see it is in them, when you believe in the Oneness factor of all life.
about this Oneness..it means we are effecting each other constantly, the slightest gesture, word, thought about another effects their reality if we believe it does. from my experience, my mere thought about them is effecting them on levels unseen at first, evidence begins to show up, how I effect them. that's why it's so important to think positive thoughts about another..as if you negative on them, it only increases their boxed in feeling and habitual ways of doing things which we don't like to observe, but we are a part of that which they are creating also. so we learn PUL and to practice instant forgiveness as we slide in on the shift in consciousness, sometimes on our heads..lol.
It is pleasant to exchange thoughts with you Ian.
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as having been there anyway. Nothing new is permitted into their reality bubble
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u are expressing a mild impatience right now. the thing about living in the unreality of linear time is days, weeks, months, maybe years can crawl by, and the ego will say, hmmm, this is all pointless as I see no results of my good intentions manifesting..(maybe some cuss words thrown in) but it's still just impatience, which is type of force which prevents what we want to manifest...
patience is the child of faith, and must mature within experience.
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.The alternative seems to be the possibility that if we manage to drop our beliefs we can out of the blue find our lives filled with all sorts of weirdness that doesn't even remotely fit with what's 'supposed' to be happening.
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U know, I think I know what you're talking about..Ian, my life too has been incredibly weird. I have been known to start laughing hysterically outloud at some things that has happened. (of course, not in public, I try to act normal)
the weirdness is a sign you are working it. you are working your belief systems, to root out the conflicting ones and u r anxious to move forward.
getting used to the discomfort to see all this weirdness around and about you means you are awakening to priorities, and this is self realization, this is the awakening you have asked for. Bruce discusses some belief system crashes he underwent. I wasn't sure what he was talking about, to use the word crash, it seemed rather dramatic word. Now I have come after him in my experience getting, and I know exactly why he felt so crazy, as you will feel quite nuts when you start to wake up that this entire world is not real, we are all going along making it up as best we can, forgetting how we need each other to really do anything significant. and we are back to false perception, true perception, (ACIM) of the ego's holdings.
then choosing true perception.
perception however, true perception is still not knowledge. it is not wisdom either.
wisdom can only come from living lives, as few as possible, but people cannot accept we choose our lives to graduate ELS. Our free will lies in the choices we make between listening to ego, which divides truth, or listening to Spirit (god) which will speak 2nd. the ego speaks first.
I see this as the planet of Fear. Fear is false evidence appearing as real.
I like the intro to ACIM: quote: Free will does not mean you can establish the curriculum; it means only that you can elect to take what you want in a given time (lifetimes)...
Nothing real can be threatened
Nothing unreal exists..
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Chapel Perilous it's been called by Robert Anton Wilson...
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I'm not familiar with Chapel Perilous, but agree our going home is fraught with "seeming" perils. what the bleep? smile.
hey y'all, that print moving across the page is called a marquee in the edit field. it's cracking me up this website provides us that little option for fun...
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