betson wrote on May 30^th, 2008 at 2:46pm:


I believe it can be both, expanded sensory awareness which is basically being filtered through your brain via the sensory areas (and thus get interpreted in a more sensual like way), or more pure awareness which is just pure knowing and feeling in nature.   The latter is and was our way of perceiving before getting involved with this whole splitting, and space/time thing i believe.  Some sources say that if you can develop the latter more, it will lead to much less misinterpretation and skewing of the info you get.   In any case, my hunch is that whatever works best at the time, can change and depends, and sometimes (or lot's of times) info comes in on many different levels at once. 

  Thanks, i'm not sure how much sense i've made of anything, but i definitely appreciate the appreciation.

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  I would say it's pretty much the same thing as pure sexual energy.  Sex energy seeks what?  Merging.   Merging is another term for or rather facet of love, but merging can be motivated from things other than love, and when it is, it blocks, limits, and facilitates stuckness.  There is a difference between enjoying the fruits of the earth but not being attached to them, as compared to being controlled in some manner by them as most people are with lust.  If one can make love purely out of higher motivations beyond purely physical pleasure, desire, and sensations, then sex can become more fully creative.   But that seems quite, quite rare, for lust to be so absent in such unions that involve physical bodies because of the nature of the body to begin with, see? (even many nonphysical mergings and unions involve attachment and limitations of some kind).   The world does need to be transcended within self, before you can fully remerge with Source.

To consecrate the body of each to one another, to act as a channel to bring an awakened Soul through, well that's about as creative an act as one can do in this world and still be involved in something "physical". 

As far as the whole conquering thing, Vajra wrote the following: Quote:


  I can't speak for others, but it's been pretty much the same for me.  I wasn't seeking, desiring, wanting, or intending that this happened, it just happened and since i'm not that attached to it anyways i can let it flow away without any concern.  But in any event, i see the benefits and positive aspect of this...

  Also, i would point out there is a very big, important, but sometimes subtle difference between repressing or trying to "conquer" something, and consciously redirecting it for a higher purpose.   Not everyone is called to go to the ultimate in this life like say Jesus (though he asks us to try in whatever life we find ourselves in).   

But when this energy is consciously redirected throughout the entire energy system and to the fastest vibratory center, which is "guarded" by and resonates with the Pituitary, it is an amazing, powerful energy boost to the entire system.   The more energy you have, the more you can do and be (the more you can Love and channel Love), and at that point for it even to be directed all the way to and through the Pituitary, Love as in PUL type must be your motivation, your ideal, and your practice.  Well more so if its constantly flowing through all the energy centers in a perfect, balanced, and merged manner.

  As Ian says, this powerful energy that corresponds to sexual energy and desire is getting diverted somewhere else and so you just lose the desire for it to begin with, or rather the desire gets refined, universalized, and non attached.  It is still "sexual" energy in a sense, because it is "merging" energy, except that now it becomes Universal Merging, and not limited in nature such as lust or romantic love oft involves.   Limitation attracts and begets limitation.   Universality attracts and begets universality.  God or Source is Universality, and is remembered through living a life of Oneness.

   

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Sounds like it was quite fun.  I'm glad you had a good time and felt free to dance as you like.  Frankly sounds kind of sexy, and would be a turn on if i could get turned on.

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  Yup, but i guess people have different conceptions of freedom.  My conception of freedom, of ultimate freedom is using any or everything at your disposal to become the clearest channel of pure Light to others (at whatever cost to the limited self), and in that sense sacrificing one's sexual nature isn't really much of a "sacrifice" to begin with if it serves a greater good than selfs own narrow, temporal, outer based, materially focussed and thus limited pleasures.  With that said, there is nothing wrong with sex and enjoying same, but there are infinitely greater and limitless pleasures to be had.  Don't underestimate the power and the catalytic potential of that energy when it gets consciously redirected for a greater good. 

  One time my wife woke up quite amorous, but decided to not do anything about it.  Soon after, she OBE vaulted into space, came face to face with a much larger, older and whiter Star than our Sun (she could have been experiencing her own Crown Chakra), and experienced an extremely orgasmic energy explosion throughout her energy system which reverberated back and forth, or "up" and "down" her Chakras.   She said it was much, much, much more intensely pleasurable than any earthly sex and orgasm she has ever had before.

  That's the kind of state that i believe those like Jesus get to enjoy all the time, though it's not always necessarily at full blast like that (i don't really know..).   In a way you could say, folks and consciousnesses like that are just the ultimate, hard core hedonists out there..

  So yes, if one is looking to re-remember and re-become PUL personafied in this life, then yes losing one's attachment to the sex drive and to those desires is potentially quite beneficial and catalytic if the motivation and intent is the right one.  As far as i know, no one here is saying that you need to be celibate  to be a loving person though.   It can just help one to become a more effectively and consistently and more purely loving person if the right intent and motivation is there. 

  Notice how similar the sound of Celebrate is to Celibate...just a coincidence?  

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  Yeah totally  Bets!  That must have been quite a scary period.  I agree with you, PUL is the key.  How did the K first feel, did you get any sense of origin, etc.?


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Very, very, very well said Ian.  My feeling is that this exactly is what happens quite often.  It's part of the reason why i mostly gave up doing full astro. charts for others.   I don't have the depth and accuracy of perception to only help people in the most constructive ways all the time on such a personal level.   That's why i prefer to teach more so the generals to others, so they can better do their own charts. 

  As far as being a spiritual oriented teacher, i've come to the feeling that if i'm ever called to teach in such a public manner, i wouldn't even begin to consider until i know that "I and the Father are One" or at least rather close to same--thank goodness there are some outer indications of more true and full enlightenment, and it's not just purely subjective mental-emotional beliefs.  Meanwhile, there's a lot of transformation, regeneration, and service to do, and balance to strike.

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  Really?  Even the organically grown and slow ripened kind?   Cayce use to say that if one was going to eat bananas, they should be tree ripened and eaten completely alone and very moderately.   

  This would do two things, i get the sense of.  It would probably increase the potassium levels and make them easier to digest, which both would contribute to a greater alkaline forming affect and eating them completely alone would let the hydrochloric acid do it's job of completely killing any parasitic type organism (that's why most healthy, only meat eating animals don't usually have to worry about eating foods with parasites and other pathogenic organisms in them, in the wild especially they have such intense amounts of HCL constantly getting produced which will kill and break down pretty much any protein based food or organism). 

Problem is, if say you ate bananas with a lot of starch or something, large quantities of starch or even too many bananas in the same meal, would lesson (neutralize to some extent) the amount and intensity of hydrochloric acid in the stomach thus some destructive organisms may survive the turbulent journey through the stomach and it's intense acid into the intestines.

  Many people today anyways, because of the SAD American and to a lesser degree Western diet in general, do not produce enough HCL in the first place to break down heavier proteins (which is what this is suppose to do).   Starches, fruits, and most veggies on the other hand, either break down more in the mouth and/or in the small intestines than purely just in the stomach, and these get subjected (in the right conditions) to more alkaline secretions to further break them down once in the intestines.   

  Interestingly it seems that both because meat is alkaline in it's natural state, and tough in a non truly fiber way, it requires a strong acid to break down.   That whole opposite and complimentary Yin Yang thing on a purely physical level.