Hello,

When any of you go to to level 27, are you able to see what is "really" happening on our planet? Are you able to access the actuality of events, beyond your personal bias and intellectual filtering system?

While on earth we have hunches, perceptions beyond the bubble of propanganda or media spin. But, how can these be confirmed?  Does the information at level 27 show how it really is, and if so isn't it important to assist others to confirm perceptions and events while still on earth? Do we have to wait for physical death to find out what's going on?

Say as in,

1) the actual cause of a major bridge collapse
2) the actual facts behind collosal events of our time
3) intelligent life existing on mars, etc.

Since  we live in a prescribed perceptual bubble or collective reality, can we know, beyond that bubble, the way things really played out by accessing info on 27?

Thank you very much.

Greetings Charles,

Welcome! And thanks for starting off with such a great question.

I perceive that Focus Level 27 is still an Earth Belief System Territory. Souls there are adjusting to coming or going from this planet. I don't  sense that the broad and deep overview you are speaking of is standard fare up there. There might be alot of hindsight during life reviews if one's life purpose had been related to the two Earth events, but since the plan for Earth is beyond our understanding, I don't know that we'd be made privy to parts of it. 

When I read those three examples of information you listed, I find they all seem like worrisome situations, no 'why did I marry old so-and-so or other possibly joyful remembrances.     So are you wonderring why souls that can visit higher realms do not use their visits for the broader benefit of mankind?

In case that is inferred, I can say from my point of view that my purpose in FL27 is simply to make transitions easier for whomever I'm retrieving or sometimes for myself, always with the hope that my experience is an investment toward helping others.

Sometimes it's hard to answer a new guy's questions, sir, because not having heard from you before, I don't really know where you're coming from.  I apologize in advance for any misunderstanding and look forward to further discussions 

Bets

welcome to Afterlife conversation board Charles. I don't really have an answers that you are seeking, however I have concluded focus 27 and physical Earth Life System (ELS) that they are mirror reflections of the other.. the main difference is to ask which came first the egg or the chicken.

However, we can deduce accurately it's a less dense body we navigate around in, while exploring, that which we can call the astral or spirit form, and that the physical body is for solely the purpose of gathering physical experiences in matter, which otherwise is not available in our other stomping grounds, so to speak, the place we started from. the physical experience is not the sum total of who and what we are, not does it explain even why we would want to be physical and every persons intentions are as Lucy says quite unique with a different perspective.

which mean we know basically nothing but here at least we try and occassionally agree on something.
Very good questions though.

Bets answer reminded me of something..that focus 27 could be a mid point place, or like a half way house sort of.  I know there is a reception area there, from where others go to their respective comfort zones, or BST's..birds of a feather idea again.

It's a question about if we do believe there is such an objectivity, and can be accessed, or not. We won't hardly know that, because it couldn't be proven. If someone claims to have had a look at the Akashic Chronicles and tells, it were bad bolts which caused the bridge to collapse, we have no means to get certainty that this is an actual objective fact drawn from the universal database, and not another guess.
And, if someone feels like watching something from that database, how could this one be sure not to get it "wrong"/subjective, just like it would be in the physical?
So, I think we won't know as long we have, or think we have, perceptions of something, because then it's immanent that we won't know how others do perceive it (if they perceive this "it" at all).

Spooky

This is happening. Anybody watch Psychic Detective? Occassionally, here and there they use these people to find clues to murders or missing persons.
Since we still live in a skeptical age, these people don't usually come forward because of the skepticism in a way closes them down of their offerings. However, the best examples of how they serve society are put on the air.

yes we can find the cause of something that broke. and inventers often bring back a diagram of a working model of whatever. A friend of mine regularly talks to his mechanical broken items in order to fix them.

I saved a hot water heater by getting the answer that it wasn't broken. It had a flame. I got a vivid picture of the flame, then I knew I could fix it.
Someday this will happen for more commonly then it does now.

yes it's hard to define how and when guidance comes, in what form, guides themselves for me, only show up in dreamy images as people. they don't introduce a name and I've never asked for one.

except for DP. I have a name of his Earth life, but not 100% on it. His first name was David. his life interest: religion

the other guides seem transient for the most part, and have specialties. some guides are physical people I meet before the actual reality meeting, then I know I have the right party to interact with.

so you can't call them guides exactly in all cases, but agreements I've made with them out there.
what a trip to see someone on your doorstep, a stranger, and recognize them. all fear recedes, or I should say nervousness is replaced with a knowing that everything is going to work out fine because I know them.

the hot water heater, was not that they told me anything about it. I found out on my own. this is boring you all, but I had dropped some wax on the burner and this prevented gas from lighting it. I forgot I had done this. I was getting ready to replace it. but first I kept bugging my guides day and night to tell me what to do, as it was a new heater.

so all that was provided was a picture of a bright burning flame, in color, which provided me the info not to toss the thing and go and sniff around on it somemore.

Here's a good way to fix something: sit and stare at it in cross legged manner for 15 minutes straight. if you don't get an idea what to do, a)call a man b) call on a guide

Greetings SHSS,

I agree with Recoverer but would like to add abit. (  And now finally I get to talk with you directly! I haven't before but I do enjoy and appreciate reading your comments.)

You said: "We are supposed to be getting direct knowledge and if we
cannot get such simple answers as these and are still left completely
in the dark then what is the whole point of wanting direct knowledge?"

I suspect there is a way to speak to Higher Spirit, a way I mean with certain principles
to be observed. Maybe someone has written them down but for the rest of us it's hit and miss. I know mine went on strike awhile back and when he/they came back I was told to address him/them as Oversoul. I had gotten too casual, was not showing respect. I was not showing any difference between my mind chatter and an appeal to these higher sources. I suspect the principles go further than that.

Also I expect there are heirarchies of knowledge that even our own generally accessed higher spirit has. Yes we are all One, but I think the divisions of that One go further up the ladder than we and our Oversouls. Those who can talk to these higher sources have a personal dignity that I don't have. Maybe what I sense as dignity is a certain wave length, a certain timing or vibration. Chicken or egg, I don't know which comes first, the ability to make contact or the effects of making contact.

Maybe what we ask them about has to fit our own life's plan. Or if we are growing beyond our plan, maybe we need to have already shown some relationship to our current need to know.

Maybe we get answers but do not recognize them as such. Some answers seem to come accidentally , and/or are so incredible that it is hard to accept them.

Perhaps the method Bruce Moen uses applies here too--that what we bring to a situation has to include a good dose of pure unconditional love. If that is not part of the equation, then we don't get the answer.   It works for 'retrieving' and retrieving brings alot of unexpected answers!

I've wonderred about all this alot!

Love, Bets

nice post Bets, thanks. frankly, great thread from all, my opinion.

re-reading the thread title, what Charles wants, I get a clue, especially the part "beyond personal filtering."

what does personal versus impersonal mean?  from the moment we are born we take in our life in a personal way through our senses. So I don't think higher knowledge, of events is exactly something we could call an appropriate or desirable objective, divorced from the attainment of what Charles may be thinking is an impersonal world which contains other people in it all meandering about with their respective personal filters on.

Perhaps Charles wants to know if this plane of physical life has events set in stone to happen. I think at any given point of linear time forces gather (our combined thoughts, desires) and an event slowly begins to accumulate as a manifestation. for instance 9/11 had preceding it's event, some warning signs that forces were gathering to bring this building down, because there was a bomb went off there earlier than 9/11 and the two events seem related, as well, I might mention psychics were given visions this would happen, however, psychics are not given any credit, usually or listened to, so most of these did not come forth until AFTER it was over, my point being there's a possibility it could have been prevented due to precognition, even if Nostradomas had foreseen the event, still, we have a little power to control things, if only we all were on the same page and quick enough, and able to as you say, get beyond personal filtering.

On a spiritual level, opposing forces to America being a super power, pick these buildings out as a symbol of our wealth and influence, and religious factions regard money as the root of all evil.
I see it as America being too complacent and placing too much emphasis on affluence, although we do, in America practice feeding the hungry and give charity, these other forces believe we have loose morals due to their filters of how "life should be lived". Holy wars.

The Earth changes, like tidal waves, earthquakes we have less control over, but within my own perceiving I have met certain environmentalists who practice in their meditations going deep within the Earth and visualizing releasing the pressure under there which precipitates a volcanic eruption.

I believe, and this is just me, they may have done some good work to prevent destruction that might have been a possibility, thus saving some lives.

Beyond personal filtering is a state of consciousness we move slowly towards on an individual basis according to that soul's plan of unfoldment.  we can sometimes achieve it, but must of necessity return to our usual state of consciousness and pick up our filters and continue on until the next breakthrough occurs where we can tune into this state. as I see it, this state of consciousness slowly becomes a way of being, rather than a way of thinking through filters. yet it seems to gather momentum, where periods of realization happen more frequently..

then we could be said to be marching, one and all towards this way of being, which all is known faster and faster until we simply vibrate highly enough that the old world passes away and the New World passes in view, where it was all the time, we just hadn't been able to see it because of those dang filters!