thanks for the quote Shss  one more time for posterity "The idea of karma is a matrix myth to confirm a belief in evolution over 'time' and encourage a state of guilt and self loathing"  David Icke


now I'm thinking that evolution is merely a stage set up we all agreed to step into using effect and consequences, karmic thinking, along with the guilt foisted upon us by misperceiving religious doctrine. one day we just get tired of participating and exit stage left. Karma can be said to be building our own houses to live in now, and stepping into an astral version of that same house upon transition, minus the taxes. In that sense I do not believe either in hell nor heaven but somewhere in between where we create together what it is we desire.

Yet i do subscribe to the new souls being born and utilizing Earth station as their playground and school.
I can hardly foresee a finite number of souls in the universal perspective, if I view life itself as an expansive process of All That is breathing out, as well breaths inward it's own. Lizards included.
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I tend to join R and Cat. my belief is that certain aliens of high order are none other than our own future selves re-visiting a past circumstance in order to free us from negative consequence, such as running amuck with our various bombs and chemicals. We are being made aware..awareness itself is a very useful tool for development.

Alan, you seem to instigate fear in the populace, I suspect unintentionally. you have a lot of good news for us, that is what I like to hear, rather than reporting your visions solely in the negative, sensational descriptives, do be honest, but concentrate on what are the positives within the vision to give forth of?  we would rather, (I think) like to discuss our options for preparation for these things. I know you can do that, I've seen you do it. u r probably in training to do good works in your communications, as it's clear you're getting more info than the rest of us and I don't dispute your visions, nor reject you as loony, not at all, I mention interpretations of visions are more important than the vision itself.

and we create our reality this way through our agreement on the interpretation. therefore the future, speaking of linear time, is never set in stone but flexible according to our agreements in consensus.
in that way one can see your visions as not crazy, but interpreted through your very own special way of looking at the world.
Just be aware, if I may be allowed to say this to you, Fear will be our downfall in every single case, so if you would be careful, there are some need your guidance within positive measure.
people have a tendency to get panicked. no, not me, but our most intelligent leaders fall under the fear cloud, which keeps us from gaining more awareness of what must be done.

In the meantime, WE are the aliens. my opinion.

just read R's post about various beliefs about the man JC. All of these things are people's beliefs in the end; I think if we can go forward, as a group, we can agree on one thing and start from the premise that JC is an ascended master..therefore, he does not need to come here and live within physical matter again.
to downgrade a master in any way is inexcusable and I get angry. I believe masters want us to know they have been with the human experience and felt all the fears and struggles that we have felt, but at the same time humans have a way of making the god-realized into the human image, which is called making graven images.

It would please me to know that JC showed us the body is nothing really, and can be infused with life once you get to the point of mastering life, with the creative force which we are in fact.
NDE's point to our ability to come back to life in this day and age, through the spirit of some mission to impart.

We cannot doubt JC's mission. You either hate him or you love him. it's our choice.

As a new ager, I've come to believe in many dimensions existing side by side, where many Christed ones could enact any scenario, such as JC putting himself in more than one physical locale at any given moment...Him being the many, not just the single finger of a single body incarnated in a single time period...therefore he could be All of these reports.

but certainly not a whimp...excuse me? that's ridiculous. He had perfect love. He had absolutely no fear because where love is, there is no fear.

Fear is what we mortally inclined people worship as the truth. and we use fear to control others, either subconsciously, or consciously, the more insidious variety is those who insist that others believe as they believe.

we do not know everything with our puny brains, so we need to study everything and observe, but not get caught up in it emotionally, just pick out what resonates and throw the rest away.

but surely, we need help, what I call spirit residing, when we read other's works, we need to ask what it is we should read and what it is we should avoid.  again, it's a free will choice, and you will certainly know them by their love.

Love is the password.

Another note.

I asked about unfriendly aliens this past weekend. I was shown an image of a starship. It flew under a table and out into space away from earth until it dissapeared. It might not be obvious, but going by past messages I've received, I understood that under the table meant that unfriendly aliens aren't going to harm us.

So why do we receive different messages? I dunno, but I hope Alan's is wrong. Perhaps Alan was showed a possibility. Sometimes dreams do represent possibilities, not actualities.

Here are two viewpoints David Icke presents that completely contradict each other. How can they both be true?

From his website:

Sunday, 25 February 2007  
'Jesus Found'. Oh My God, Really?


'Cameron's efforts go a step beyond the Da Vinci Code allegations that Jesus had a child. In the past, A-O has reported on the Da Vinci Code and Knight's Templar stories and predicted that these projects were illuminated efforts that would become the basis for future claims to discredit Christianity and the Biblical accounts of Jesus' life, death and resurrection. That A-O prediction appears to be coming true in the next seven days.

Yes, it would appear that a major, earthshaking announcment of historic proportions is about to take place next Monday, when a news conference will be held to announce the discovery of the Tomb of Jesus Christ of Nazareth as well as that of his family members. '

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All this is double-bluff, smoke and mirrors. There was no Jesus, the story is a repeat of a tale that goes back to Babylon and was told in endless cultures long before Christianity using different names for the hero. It is a symbolic narrative relating to Sun worship.

So, whichever version of 'Jesus' that people peddle the following questions need to be asked: (1) How can someone who did not exist be 'God's only begotten son' (Sun) and be 'coming back on a cloud' (like the Sun) to save us all? (2) How could someone who did not exist have children with Mary Magdalene and how could she therefore take the bloodline to France to become the Merovingian kings? (3) How can the body of someone who did not exist be found in a tomb near Jerusalem?

It's all lies within lies within lies to divert attention from the real 'revelation' - there was no Jesus and the Christian religion, like those of Judaism, Islam and all the rest, are manufactured belief systems to keep their advocates in mental and emotional  servitude while being played off against each other to divide and rule.  

Below is an article which speaks as if Jesus Christ did exist, even though he lies about what took place during the crucifixion:

http://ezinearticles.com/?The-Age-Of-Aquarius---Part-1-David-Icke&id=572997

Alysia:

I get the impression that Old Dood has looked into the matter a lot. I haven't done so, because I figure there is so much contradictory information out there I don't want to get entangled within it. I prefered to rely on what I can receive myself, and as I stated, going by what I received, there are viewpoints out there that are more fear based than they need to be.

I really don't care for viewpoints that demonize entire groups of people. I don't care if such a viewpoint comes from Christianity, Islam, David Icke or wherever. I found one article which states that some skin heads and Nazis really like David Icke because some of his viewpoints are anti-semetic. Is he doing more to unify or to seperate?

recoverer wrote on May 29^th, 2008 at 3:47pm:



I understand, my point is Old Dood would be speaking to a few younger persons here, as he has stated to me that spirituality and outer space study are related. I'm not one for his interests and spend very little time thinking about aliens, except to reflect that we are all One, and that there is a plan unfolding and it includes all universal occupants.

So I welcome his seaching manner and would like to see what he has picked up. I have not read Icke's, he seems to have some good things to say and also some things which I do not accept at face value, but isn't that the same idea with most any study that one undertakes?

you use what is useful...but you don't condemn the author for what is not useful..it's just another sister or brother going along their path. listen only to your heart. you can know when something sets you free and when something binds you in. its your spirit.

I think we all have a little divine inspiration along the way. No exceptions. That's why I agree with you, Recoverer, on your point that demonizing other people is not an admirable quality in anyone.

Every single human being has something to say to us, and it is difficult at times to judge its importance.

love, blink

Hi Dood. This is territory that in absence of personal experience I've tended to stay clear of. But it's compelling stuff.

The questions that come to mind are:

1. Why would a race of enormously powerful beings bother doing a deal with any government?

2. If we're truly about to engage with ETs of any sort,  then what's required of us?

The point about nuclear weapons causing disturbances in realms far beyond our understanding rings true given the quantum basis of everything.

I guess that the same thought came to me recently reading about the zero point field and hopes some scientists have of tapping it as an energy source - since our being is so tied up with it can it actually be wise to mess in such territory?

Our so called technological progress has come from vested interests saying 'ah sure it'll be OK' and forcing stuff into general use - be it nuclear, genetically modified crops, mobile phones and attendant radiation and now this.

We can't run with these global experiments indefinitely, as sooner or later we're going to trigger something with unforeseen but pervasive and irreversible (and maybe even permanent/soul survival) consequences with enormous consequences for us all.

For example, consider the potential consequences of a mass die off of honey bees of the sort that some fear is possible? (others suggest that die offs to date have been local and caused by local events)

Hi ya vajra...
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Good Question.  Seriously? It will sound like a 1950's B Movie....hehe! Our Blood. (DNA)
These beings have screwed up their own DNA...Bodies...whatever and are using us to try to 'fix it'.
Same for the Cattle Mutilations as well. Something about cattle that fits within their plans.
These beings (grays) from what I have come to understand is that they are clones and can't reproduce like we do anymore.

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Well, this is speaking of the more evolved beings out there.  The Service To Others type.
The Service to Self type are actually behind these beings....spiritualy speaking.
They will work with us once we become more spiritual and stop fighting, killings, destroying the planet, etc.
EDIT: In other words...LEARN TO LOVE ONE ANOTHER!

EDIT TWO: I tend to lean with Alan.  The 'First Contact' openly I believe will be a false contact.
It will be a deception of some kind.  It will be a 'reason' to think that aliens are the Enemy and we must fight them.
It is foolish to even consider 'we' could even beat them in anykind of battle.
They will be made out to be the enemy.  No different then the Russians, Terrorists, etc.
I would warn all peoples about our governments when they spew this dis-information.