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Reply #15 - May 6th, 2008 at 7:06pm
 
KC, Along with all of the good people who you are going to find here, there are some who just might scare the heck out of you. Some of them are here to do just that. An agenda of fear mongering. I think because fear makes it easier to control people. Not to worry...the world is not comming to an end tomorow, you don't have to believe in Jesus, there is no conspirancy by the space aliens to kill and eat our babies. No George Bush is not a lizard nor is the Queen of England.  (Although some who come here do think so and may suggest you should start to think so also.) Your not going to Hell inless you decide that you are, no matter what you do or what others think.  The bottem line is that there is nothing to fear. Go with the books... Your investment of a few dollars will return ten-fold in knowledge and understanding. Once you open yourself up to learn, you will.

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Reply #16 - May 6th, 2008 at 7:16pm
 
PS, Of course I have an agenda too. Love.. Thats what I think we need to be pushing..Love
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Reply #17 - May 6th, 2008 at 7:27pm
 
I agree with Hawkeye. Stay away from the fear based agendas.  Through spiritual experiences and messages it has been shown to me in numerous ways that there is nothing to be afraid of if we chose love and light.

Regarding Jesus, well, he's one of the light beings who helped me. I don't believe he is some dictator like being you better believe in or else.  Love and fear is a terrible combination.  Sort of like putting poison in your water before you drink it.  When each of us moves on to the World of spirit we'll each be surprised about many things. As long as we are humble and loving there won't be any problems.
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Reply #18 - May 6th, 2008 at 7:36pm
 
Contact the Monroe Institute and ask for Dr. Darlene Miller to suggest some hemi-sync music/CD's.  The hemi-sync places two distinct sounds--- one in each ear, then the sound meets in the middle of your brain to help calm you.  The Monore researches such problems such as panic attacks and will have a list of possible CD's for you to listen to.  They will help calm your brain down and allow you to "feel" the beauty of your life.  www.MonroeInstitute.com The very first page will explain how the sound help.  Let the experts help, then let us help.  Love and Light--- Carol Ann
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Reply #19 - May 6th, 2008 at 7:39pm
 
I was discussing with a friend how, according to him, it is so difficult to "buy" into religious ideas, God and Jesus. I'm confused about my belief and certainly, am trying to make a decision about the whole thing in general. fear agendas certainly guide my life, (don't they guide everybody in one point or the other?). Scienfic theories and proof. It's all so overwhelmingly! For today, I am remembering to breathe and remind myself of the people I love.
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Reply #20 - May 6th, 2008 at 7:40pm
 
Identcat, I'm looking into it right now! Thank you!
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Reply #21 - May 6th, 2008 at 8:04pm
 
KC:

I went through a period of time where the idea of Christ bothered me, because of some of the annoying things fundamentalism teaches. Then I realized that I didn't really know who Christ is, opened myself up to finding out, and had a number of experiences and received messages that let me know that the person of Jesus did live and he plays a significant role in divine reality. However, his role doesn't have to do with the oppresive judgmental ways of thinking fundamentalism sometimes includes. Also, there are many light beings who help with the divine plan, including some of us in human form.

Imagine if somebody wrapped the sun with a blanket of oppresive ideas and said you had to accept the ideas before you could be warmed by the sun. Would you go by what they say, or would you realize that the blanket turned into ashes as soon as the blanket was placed on the sun?

KC wrote on May 6th, 2008 at 7:39pm:
I was discussing with a friend how, according to him, it is so difficult to "buy" into religious ideas, God and Jesus. I'm confused about my belief and certainly, am trying to make a decision about the whole thing in general. fear agendas certainly guide my life, (don't they guide everybody in one point or the other?). Scienfic theories and proof. It's all so overwhelmingly! For today, I am remembering to breathe and remind myself of the people I love.

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Reply #22 - May 6th, 2008 at 9:12pm
 
It's definitely a vicious cycle of self-destruction of thought. It's hard to feel ok in the afternoon and broken as the night comes. Once again... I'm scared.
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Reply #23 - May 6th, 2008 at 9:16pm
 
KC, why are you scared? I have heard it said that sometimes it is good to totally focus on the body. Focus on the sensations of the body. Like, how does your big toe feel right now? Okay? It feels okay?

Okay, how about everything else? Okay?

Breathe. Relax. So, what is happening right now?

Was there a moment today that you felt really good? Do you have a journal yet? This might be a good time to write a few things down, like how you felt at different times.

Well, I am your Journal. So is every person on this thread.

Love is Real.

You see, there are people here, and I am taking you aside to say this to you, in confidence, with confidence, who are fully capable of visiting you in your dreams and reminding you that you are very much alive.

I am convinced that we are never really alone, and that we can easily invoke the powers of light to protect us.

Therefore, consider yourself protected. You are.

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Reply #24 - May 6th, 2008 at 10:56pm
 
Hi KC!

I too am very young and my curiosity led me to this site.  I like your thoughts.  It reminds me of the way I think. 

I also have a extreme fear of the dark.  Always have.  When I was littler, my parents would always get mad at me for keeping the lights on at night.  Eventhough I knew I would get yelled at, I did it anyways.  Just so I could fall asleep and not fear it anymore.  So that it would be light again in the morning.  I still have that fear.  Only not as bad as to where I leave my lights on!! Grin
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Reply #25 - May 6th, 2008 at 11:14pm
 
Blink, I'm sorry I didn't reply earlier when my fear started. I will post more tomorrow  but I focused on that: my toes. I will scan my dream for friendly strangers.
Noslord, I'm glad you got somewhat over your fear! Someday, hopefully, I will too.
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Reply #26 - May 7th, 2008 at 6:47am
 
Well done KC, the important step is the first one you take down the path of starting to work with yourself. Monroe and some books on meditation and working with fears are a good place to start all right. It might help as well to sign  for a while with one of the many groups teaching meditation - both for the instruction, and for the moral support of a like minded group.

Don't expect it all to be handed to you on a plate - you'll have to get going, do some digging and take responsibility for your own path. Expect some apparent reverses and dead ends, all will teach you something.

Pardon the length, but I'm going to try to paint a bigger picture.

It's really important that you trust your own intuition on what feels right - don't substitute one set of fears with another that some lot lay on you.

There's as Hawkeye says a lot of people around with a vested interest in getting people hung up on rigid beliefs and fear - so that they can manipulate them - pretty much all the traditional institutional and fundamentalist religions, not to mention the major societal institutions, political and money interests as well.

It happens accidentally too - when we're very young (or not so young) and know no better a casual comment or thought gets easily fastened on to and builds to become a big deal.

So it's very easy to get stuck with beliefs that scare the heck out of us. What is pushed at us by the system and by popular culture fortunately proves not to stand up to real scrutiny however. (when you start digging you'll find there are good books out there on this topic too - but probably best to focus on finding a way to get started on meditation somewhere that feels comfortable for the moment)

With time and work (the meditation and study mentioned above) we tend to gain insight, a better understanding and experience of what we are, and of the nature of reality  - with time it becomes clear for most that the fear based systems are basically the result of a sort of tunnel vision. Of people out of their own fear mistakenly conceiving existence as ruled by fear and aggression rather than love.

This is in a sense a pasting of mind made but rigid conceptual beliefs with no actual existence over the reality. As Robert Anton Wilson said 'what the thinker knows, the prover proves'. What we believe (real or not) is what we experience.

It's maybe a lot healthier that we avoid adopting rigid beliefs at all - that we instead relate to  life as a process, that we move through it in a cocoon of evolving understanding and knowledge based on experience and interpretation of what seems to make sense to us. What we think is never more than a working position subject to change tomorrow.

All this talk of meditation and the like is only to get our minds slowed down enough so we can  start to perceive what's actually around us - both within and outside without our beliefs distorting our perceptions.

With time we start to overcome our conditioning, and start to see and know - the spiritual path is basically about dropping beliefs that don't stand up, and replacing them with a fluid and ever changing process of learning as above.

It's a lot about opening, awakening, and letting things be  - informed by an underlying sense that while we are at times required to act that what life brings is ultimately for our good.

Everything we perceive is in the mind, the game is to stop closing, tightening and imposing our mind made beliefs and hang ups over reality, over the natural flow of life. The former inevitably ends up being fear based, the latter leads to the experience and ultimately to an ability to trust that this flow is led by love.

The fear driven person sees one reality, and responds in a manner that creates more suffering for themselves and others, those seeing more tend increasingly to respond from love.

Anyway. The good news is that mind (and consequently our total reality) is pretty malleable. My own experience of working with fears suggests that more than likely you will with some perseverance be able to work your way clear.

In my own case it took a fairly major life and health crisis to start me down this path. It took a few years, but I got a more or less immediate improvement and by now it's transformed my health, life and outlook....



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Reply #27 - May 7th, 2008 at 10:13am
 
Hi KC

Everyone here has given you some very good ideas. Please do see a therapist and also start meditating, which will help you to feel calm and peaceful. I also recommend the Monroe tapes/CD's.

Realize that you do not need to be afraid anymore. You can choose to be happy. Whenever you feel fearful be firm with yourself and say something like, "No, I choose happiness or I choose love." Then do something silly like make funny faces in the mirror or sing a silly song or dance a silly dance, etc. Another affirmation to is to say "I love me just the way I am, no matter what way that may be." Feel love for yourself, even when you're afraid.

I also know beyond a shadow of a doubt that we have already died by being born into the physical world and forgetting who we really are. We are the most beautiful lights of love you can possibly imagine. Death of the physical body is simply letting go of it to become even more alive than you can possibly imagine.

Much love to you, KC.
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Reply #28 - May 7th, 2008 at 2:08pm
 
The only problem now is waiting for me to finish this semester of college and then go home and see a therapist and begin my healing. I woke up this morning with a calm feeling, I had normal dreams that showed a party of people from my college welcoming me. Also some dreams about my loved ones. I prayed before going to sleep for some kind of sign but alas, nothing extraordinary happened. I guess it's too much to ask that so suddenly everything will feel ok. I took a shower and there: the same pain hit me. Will I be able to take showers after death? I guess I find myself too attached to my body. Its doings, its flaws. And another pain hurts me.. I'm changing the person I am here. I'm no longer motivated, joyful, sexual, young. I can't even hug my boyfriend without crying for two reasons.. he is supporting me so greatly and there's so much love there. But I'm not being the same person I was, the peron he loves. And that hurts. I wanna be me. I wanna get back to my life. Then I had lunch and I just sat there: I keep repeating - good things will not end. I am loved. I have so much love to give. Life is beautiful. Positive thoughts but nothing really. Again I feel empty, sad, confused. I cannot focus on my life right now but rather a haunting thought of: I'm just waiting for all of this to pass and for me to die. And it to end. I'm sorry! You keep giving me amazing comments and thoughts but then when I look into myself, I feel just as lost.

Will it ever get better? Are you sure... really sure?
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Reply #29 - May 7th, 2008 at 2:24pm
 
KC, the thought that everything might actually end - your perceptions, your existence - is a very interesting thought, when you spend some time with it.

It seems that there is something that you really need to work out for yourself, in regards to your perception of time, your perception of reality. I think we can all feel the yearning that you have to know what is truly real.

There are moments in my life when the thought that this physical existence will end is very comforting. Those are usually times when I am in pain, or involved in things I would rather not experience.

However, when I am happy, light, and clear in mind and heart, the opposite is true. I am very conscious of the moment being transitory in a different way.... I am conscious of the moment's transitory nature, but I am also conscious of its eternal nature, as well.

It seems to be a contradiction, not to be "lost" in the moment, but it is not. It is actively experiencing life.

If I am fully conscious, I am able to expand my perceptions enough to simultaneously recognize the transitory nature of my experiences, and to also live in the present, enjoying all that I am blessed with.

So, I think it is interesting that you are so conscious. Although you do not like the way that you feel, and for good reasons, the fact remains that you are very conscious. You are awake.

Being awake is good. It will get better. I'm sure.

love, blink
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