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Does the "observer or the participant create"
May 6th, 2008 at 3:08am
 
Hi to all, nice to be be here with all of you!  Smiley

I find this subject to have value of high discussion.

I ponder if "life and the afterlife" really have any differencial at all and ask for insight or rather perspective to this thought. I know one thing is for certain: One day I will find out for sure, but meanwhile the suggestion that the afterlife takes place just as the ~ here ~ is doing right now makes me wonder about : imagination, fruitful creativeness of the mind and feeling.

Let me explain:
We all know that wishful thinking or suggestive thinking can materialise.

Example:
When my father passed away, no matter where I looked, I saw his name. It was on street signs, it was on school boards, it was even in the paper more than once. It was during this time of my mourning inwhich his "first name" popped up everywhere! At first I cried everytime I saw it, but then after a while I began to feel comfort in seeing it everywhere, and felt it was his way to let me know that "he`s still with me". When I accepted "it" that way, then I began to notice that the name didnt show up quite as much anymore.

another example:
When humans "feel" angry inside, when they "only see bad" stuff in this world, then it attracts exactly "that". I did a sort of live experiment with my boyfriend starting 7 years ago. He by nature is a fella whom grew up under not so great circumstances, and the course of his life he tended to accept the fact that he`s a loner, of course acted like that too. Even at the age of over 40 his impression of the world, "impression of his life" had been that of a "victum of circumstance" ergo: everyone else is at fault for the mishap in his life other than himself. He firmly attracted this type of energy, for he himself knew no other energy. His energy was dark okay. (Not meaning to place a label on it but just using these words to compensate)

When we would walk down town, he noticed that hundreds of people greet me as if they have known me for ions. They would make eye contact and that was all she wrote, they`d smile as if I were the long lost friend. Verses his experiences with people. People would look at him as if he were "the pest" out of the 16th century! He`d recieve "mean looks" from people. But I explained that this is because he himself "gives mean looks"... Even in his little old village: noone would decently greet him when he`d walk by. So I tried to explain to him, that if he "feels" mean inside, if he "projects" his anger (which he carries within) onto his outer world then that is exactly that which he will recieve as a reflection.

I helped him work on that "inner attitude" for a while and then we went back out into the world in the same down town where people then began to "greet" him. He had been so friggin "astonished" over that.

Using those two examples, makes me wonder if the afterlife works like that too? Maybe thats why there are so many different "realms" where the souls resides in? After all its "LIFE" like you and I live today, right?

I`m sure there are readers in here that are absolutely captured within the feeling of "anger", "hate" or "sorrow" of their outer world reflection. And thats what they "see" when they look outside of their window.
Maybe theres some readers here that dwell in the energy of "laughter, joy and happiness" so thats what they "see" when they look out of their window.
What about those that are driven by "deciet, lies and rip off", don`t they "live" somewhat paraniod in this world? Always thinking someone else will rip them off, lie to them or decieve them?

The level or degree of "flowing energy seems to dictate ones existence here"...

I guess all in all, what I am saying is: If this level of exsistence rotates on that basis here, then what would be a difference in the afterlife there, other than the "seperation of these souls", sort of like the horror thinkers are all together in their realm, the sunshine thinkers are in their realm, and all the Nanners are in their realm too...lol..

What are your thoughts on this one?

Hugs,
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Re: Does the "observer or the participant create"
Reply #1 - May 6th, 2008 at 7:30am
 
Years ago, when my sons were only 9 and 10 years old, they came home very upset from school and crying.  One of their teachers (in the public school system) had told the children that there are NO animals in heaven, Only God and the good people who lead a mindful life.  This is how I responded:  Do you want animals in YOURS heaven?  Both said yes.  Then, said, your teacher will have no animals in her heaven because she chose not to have any.  You will have all the animals you want when you die and go to your heaven. 

Yes, that is why there are so many realms, so many parallels.  We still have free will and choices we are able to make when we are in our new realm with unlimited variations. It's up to the individual soul/spirit to "create" the atmosphere most conducive for continuing growth/learning/expansion in our new "realm of thought".  The only thing we take with us, always, is our memory/thoughts.  Science knows there is a mind and memory, but have no tangible evidence of the mind.  We have a brain that is tangible, but the thoughts within the brain are intangible. 

What we "create" in our afterlife is up to us, just as it is now on this earth.
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Reply #2 - May 6th, 2008 at 12:35pm
 
It reminds me of the story that I enjoyed as a child, "Where the Wild Things Are," by Maurice Sendak, about a little boy who was sent upstairs to bed without his supper/dinner. He had been into mischief all day.

A forest which sprang from his own imagination began growing in his room. He journeyed to the Land of Wild Things, where he found his own way to be king. However, he grew sad and lonely there and returned home....to find his supper waiting for him, and it was still hot.

I loved that story, and many others have also. I just read that the author was originally going to draw horses, but soon found out that he had no ability to draw horses. So he drew monsters. His monsters were funny to look at, dark and mysterious and slightly human at the same time.

I see things a little bit that way. The monsters are very real, when we are in the Land of Wild Things.

But, after the Land of Wild Things, there is supper.

Our supper looks good, and it's nice and hot. Was it all a dream?

lovely to see you here, blink


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Reply #3 - May 7th, 2008 at 12:49am
 
Hmmm-mm---a whole realm of Nanners !?   Smiley

Since like attacts like, Nanner,  you are right. Bruce's model of the focus levels of the afterlife
is a different terminology but the same meaning. You will have compatible family and community
as much as you want, as they are also creating. Your own area will be yours uniquely.
We will be free to visit others too
                       ---the best of all possible worlds!

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Reply #4 - May 7th, 2008 at 2:54am
 
good to see Nanners here again  Smiley  good answers here already. the like attracts like is the best analogy I think. From doing retrievals of the recently passed some folks continue to be attracted to the thoughts and plans they had just before their departure..for instance, it had become more important to them to close a certain business deal (only if it was a sudden death) and they would be hanging about trying to be involved in that activity. these are not the usual case. they are the basis for retrievals sometimes. Like the fellow I retrieved who committed suicide. He left his dog and she was my friend and how I found out about him. she took in his dog. The guy was hanging around worrying about his dog. He was Earthbound. Not prepared, not expecting to be still alive.
He's ok now, I got his mother to come get him.

It is very important to consider the afterlife areas before we actually transition; meaning study the BST's and all religions and all higher thought. if a man spends his lifetime making money as a priority, for instance, and dies suddenly, he will be disappointed that money is no longer important, and he wasted his life concentrating on that exclusively, neglecting perhaps his family and friends.
People need to prepare themselves for sudden departures, so they will gravitate automatically there and not need retrieval, or assistance necessarily then. On the other hand, a person with a long illness is preparing and will attract assistance from helpers and family and not be Earth bound.

Your boyfriend, if he had not changed his attitude as you showed him, he would go to a place, a level, where, it would be reflected back to him his thoughts and attitude that one can be deceived and most on that level would be suspicious of each other; that is unless he changed to attract a different type of vibration of thought..if he began to trust, his fears would leave him and he would not attract suspicion from others and they would trust him. trust is a lot like PUL in that regard.
yet even in worst case scenarios, there are schools on the other side, and there is also this type of rehab place where one can get a shower, so to speak, leaving all fears, bad attitudes, washed clean of what is not necessary to carry around.
It's only on Earth we get paranoid about practically anything at all. We're so busy protecting life and limb, hearth and home, we get on the other side and there's nothing to protect, we've already lost it all in transition.  We end up realizing the value of relationships as the only thing we can take with us.

minus the distrust and the attitude we may have acquired and not worked off. You're right in your post, we are so much mirroring each other, of the innermost thoughts. in the final analysis we're all works of art in progress, the architect of our own soul, by how we treat each other, with love or with distrust.

When the light comes though, the darkness must flee and we all eventually stand in the Light as free and beautiful as the day we were given life and allowed to take an identity within form.
thanks for your thoughtful post

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