Greetings,

Last week I did a stupid thing, and dipped my fingers into boiling oil while arranging egg rolls    Before then I was pretty happy because the previous week had included several explorations farther than I'd ever been before, and a couple of somewhat successful visitations to heavenly realm newbies. (It just keeps getting better !)

One of the explorations had involved emerging from four (I believe) ethereal bodies, so far that even my spine, or some sort of such an axis, was dissolved or moved out from. I mention this because of the sensations that lasted after the hot oil incident--besides a rolling deep wave of acheing, there was also a repeated  fine stabbing like being sewed up by a saber, particularly ner my spine. I'm pretty stoic usually but this combination made me want to yell whoa and whimper at the same time. 

Do any of you have any antidotes or ideas on what to do in such a situation? Aspirin did nothing, my usual AL tonics of olive oil with lemon, and extra-sweet lemonade --zilch,    and Justin, I didn't have any figs.

Betson


 

Hi Alan,

I don't know, but we could play with several possibilities.  First though it seems you'd have to be on the same 'wave length' of a victim to suddenly switch over to his/her perceptions. Here are some ways you might get onto another's wavelength:

---Since you thought you were about to be murdered, maybe switching at the last moment to a true murder could easily happen. It might happen so late in the act that no sense of the person came through so you thought it was you yourself. (I bet it was confusing to the real victim who may have been driven to super-lucidity by his danger, to see another victim thrashing away also!  )
---Perhaps in a former life your soul was not so developed and it thought of someone it hated that it wished they'd be killed, and that wish was just recently catching up with you as a late payback.
---Maybe someone in some lifetime wanted to kill you and your soul gave it the opportunity to do so in some realm that would seem real and satisfy its need. Unfortunately it had to seem real to you too  for the experience to work.
---Perhaps you arranged the scenario with your Oversoul because you wanted the experience.

All those 'supposes' have in common that they happened in another realm of focus level, thank goodness!

Love Bets

(Are you suggesting that my pain wasn't 'real?'  If so, it sure fooled me! )

Hey, my hurting (which started up again this morning as I wrote and re-membered ) just stopped!  Are you saying that if we concentrate on concern for another, our own pain subsides?

Hi Betsy,

  I'm not sure to understand clearly what happen, but that spine/axis experience make me think about recent sucess.   I think we have the equivalent of a spine in each of our 'body'.  The energy raise through it (kundalini).  More you advance spiritually, more the energy go through higher bodies. 

This rising from can cause a lot of side effect.  The "sew" effect could be what you feel about  the energy going through blocked area.  The "dislocated" area you saw could is this area.  It poped out because of the resistance.

In fact, sewing is very helpful to remove blockage ( Robert Bruce use it in the New Energy Way)

Bets,

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Ye Bets this is a real possibilty but a had the feeling I was in a stangers body feeling objectively all his fear pain and suffering

alan

Thanks Juditha,

for that so very important reminder.

I know I do forget to ask God for help, especially if I'm panicky about something. I probably forgot in this case too. I appreciate your reminder.

Alan--Does Juditha's reminder apply to you too? I can tell you're more in touch than I,  but in moments of extreme feeling, do you think you should 'tough it out' ?
Or have you already asked God for relief from that violent death ? To make you repeat the experience must mean it has some very important purpose.

(One time I was out exploring and I zoomed very high to see if i could. My Guide said 'if you want to go any higher, you must die.' So I hovered and thought about it and then thought well, what's the good of exploring if I can't go any farther. I might as well chance it. so I said OK, I can die for this. And the Guide said, 'you must tell God that you are ready.'
--I had to use a full sentence addressing God regarding what I wanted. It wasn't OK to just say 'OK, let's do it. It had to be a more respectful appeal. )

Love, Bets

Greetings Dear Alan!

I remember once hearing that if you clear out your own 'sins', you will begin taking on the sins of others. Perhaps you have done that and now your guides give you another's traumatic sin to purposely create blockages in you. They are trying to slow the flow of Divine Energy because a human body cannot stand it on Earth.
----Did your own subtle bodies react to hearing that possibility?

Yes, Spooky,

I will try 'To let it pass through you, and not touch you." Just to hear that phrase has just made me release some resistence to ??--to just standard daily grumblies, I guess. And it is much better, I feel it! to not resist those negatives and let them go by.  Now to do that instead of panic! 
Thank you!

Bets

Hi Bets,
no real practical hint here, but from youth on I've liked the scent of roses and honey, and sometimes in meditation these scents appear suddenly.
  As well, I attempted an "Exploration 27" like the TMI one on my own, and to my surprise, I was shown a place where scents, smells and all the plants/materials for it were there. So, there is something about it.
  My way would be, to listen not so much on general application prescripts, but to sniff&smell on your own, what is right for you. Perhaps you have a special memory which includes a scent and a feeling of healing/comfort/transcendence.

Spooky

Hi guys...Bets I've never had pain in any of the bodies, and Alan, that seems a very difficult experience of dying. Perhaps you will remember something that is important about another life and not have to go thru that again. For it to happen twice has got to be a reason for that.

The most similar of the sensations on the astral body, just once I remember being obe and a friend and I were playing chase..chase alysia back to the body...when I landed into the body I heard and felt energy like the rumble of a train noise going up my spinal column and at first was fearful then something said relax and watch it move by. it was exactly like as if I was laying down next to RR tracks and the train was rumbling by, only it was on my back. but not hurting, just very very loud. then after that a burst of PUL, almost simultaneously and I feeling like I had been  involved in a game of play.

I've heard a few reports of others hear loud noises while obe. the only advice I might offer to Bets is to consciously relax when pain is felt. I learned this technique while in the birth process, if I resisted the pain, it got worse, if I relaxed some of the fear resistance went away and made the pain subsist considerably. maybe it would help during this separation process also, if you can remember you are safe. love, alysia