To All,

As a result of repeated posts like the one below Darth has been permanently banned from this website.  His misrepresentation of the facts in my communication with him and repeated personal attacks upon others and myself over the past many months have finally worn my patience thin.

Darth, I wish you well.

Bruce

Below is Darth's Final Post

Hey! ...It seems that my words are dangerous to Bruce's Forum...He sent me an email that he
is broke(money-wise...on account of no medical insurance)....I have the original post, and feel
for this guy.....I will post his exact words via email via anonymous servers as to protect myself
against this guy and to bypass his ban to this email and his website!!!....He is a CON!!!!!...Just
panhandling money from who he can CON!!!...He uses meditation and hypnotic techniques to
program your sub-consciousness to set ideas and to fool you that you are exploring the Astral
Planes!!!!...This is what stage hypnotists use.....Don!!! Why are you fooled????..Darth.

We usually think of multiples as arising from situations of severe sexual and physical abuse. However the manner of their creation is still a matter of conjecture.

I recall a vaguely similar case that might shed some light on this. A young man had skipped school and gone with friends to investigate a tiny seaside shop in a resort area. The shop was closed, but the boys sneaked in through a window and promptly began to pilfer trivial items. One boy took a pen (value perhaps 25 cents) and the other took a candy bar, about equal value. At that moment the shop keeper arrived and accosted them abruptly. The boy with the pen seems to have escaped, as I recall, but the candy bar boy was terrified. In addition, he was so mortified that he simply refused to accept that he was there.

Later, the boy, now a man, began to experience strange urges and feelings. He felt like two different people - neither of them very happy. The episode of the theft seemed to loom large in his memories. He was regressed and as we reran the "crime" we discovered that he had effectively abandoned his body for a few minutes when confronted by the shop keeper. In that time an entity had taken refuge there. The entity was a very confused spirit who was fleeing some other kind of problem. After settling the entity's fear, it was sent off into the Light, and the missing few minutes were more or less restored, so that an appropriate conclusion was possible, with the entity off in the Light and the man free of his sense of guilt.

The inference is that personality characteristics at times of great stress can persuade us to abandon our position of internal dominance, at which time other personalities of a similar sort can enter and take residence. One of the reasons that this is not clearly evident is that the entities attach by shared attribution, so that the same properties are presented by the entities as were felt by the host.

A small amount of support for this notion can be found in the tales of some of the abused kids who develop multiples. Often they say that while Daddy or Uncle was sexually molesting them, they took refuge in OBEs, often by hiding in the closet, or up in the light fixture in the center of the room etc. This is obviously a case of abandoning their body, but why some other entity would want to move in, considering the situation, I don;t understand.

I have encountered one case in which an entity seemed to be riding along with a person for many lifetimes. This is extremely unusual, but evidently it happens.

My guess is that after death the entities would tend to dissipate into a collection of souls. However the same reasons that caused them to become wandering ghosts in the first place would probably still obtain, so that the entities might well be cast adrift while the soul of the host goes on into the Light. That doesn't seem very satisfying to me, but fits with observations.

dave

I figure some sort of mixture is involved. Sometimes aspects of a person's self will manifest as various personalities, sometimes spirits who don't move on to the light for whatever reason attach.

As Dave suggests with his post, I believe it is a mistake to take a "go to hell demon" approach when helping people who have spirits attached to them, because all you do is cause an attached spirit to become more confused and afraid to cross over. Some of them might be afraid to do so because they believe they will be sent to hell for all of eternity. It probably drives light beings nuts when exorcists speak to them in such a way.  Much of the time, because they continue to be afraid to cross over, they look for other suitable people to attach to.

I've been informed that some of the unfriendly spirits I've dealt with moved on to the light partly because I spoke to them in a loving and supportive way. I would try to get them to see that moving on to the light is the best choice they could make.

Regarding the orb Alan wrote about, is it possible that the orb was a light being that took away the aspect or spirit that needed to be taken away?

I found an interesting article about multiple personalities. Some psychologists have found that a personality comes through who is different than the other personalities. This personality is wiser than the others, very compassionate, and tries to help the psychologist help the patient with his or her problems.  Perhaps the patient's higher self or spirit guide? Unfortunately, I'm unable to find the article again on the internet. I brought a print out home, and will try to remember to bring it with me to work tomorrow.

There is another factor to consider. In order for us to be able to experience the contrast that the creative aspect of being contains, all kinds of states of mind need to become a possibility. It may be that people who have negative experiences during their youth to an extent where they end up developing mulitple personalities, might end up getting involved with self created personalities that are really negative.

People who are into the demonic viewpoint seem to believe that there are different kinds of demons for different types of personality traits: the demon of lust, the demon of greed, the demon of confusion, the demon of gluttony, the demon of irreverence, the demon of arrogance, and so on.  Traits that each of us have to varying degrees.

Regarding supernatural manifestations, each of us have access to an inner knowledge where we know how to manifest in a supernatural way. It may be that people who get overly involved in certain aspects lose touch with the mental bounderies people usually limit themselves by, and as a result are able to draw upon a supernatural ability that exists within their spirit being. Carl Jung and others have found that hysterical people are 50 times more likey to have supernatural abilities. Of course the argument exists that hysterical people sometimes get involved with supernatural entities.

The cases of possible possession I've read about, for example Scott Peck's Jersey story, shows the possibility that a person's own mind might be involved. Jersey was sexually molested by her father and ended up with a husband who was domineering.  These factors explain her psychosis. Scott Peck hypnotized her early on while working with her. This might've opened her up to his suggestions. Especially since she was in an unbalanced state of mind and used to being directed by others.  Scott Peck's basis for the demon viewpoint is Mallachi Martin. It doesn't seem like he considered other viewpoints.

Scott Peck had no previous experience with multiple personality patients.  New personalities seemed to appear for Jersey when Scott Peck prompted Jersey (in some way) to manifest a new personality. He did so while thinking of Martin's guidelines. Eventually he supposedly got satan himself to appear.  It really seems to me that his Mallachi Martin based belief system influenced him to jump to such a conclusion.

Scott Peck also mentioned the devlish facial expression Jersey took on. Very arrogant. Body language experts have found that their are facial expressions we don't have conscious control of. It is a matter of how our emotions manifest. It may be that the facial expression Scott Peck spoke of, came from Jersey's own negative aspects of mind. After all, we each have the ability to manifest in an irreverent and arrogant manner. If we didn't have such an ability, we wouldn't have the contrast that is required so we could choose reverence and humility as our way of being.

In the end the negative voices Jersey heard didn't go away completely. She stated that rather than being right there with the voices, they receeded to the background. I would think that if an exorcism actually caused demons and the devil to go way, they would go away completely. Perhaps I am wrong, but I believe what I suggest at least ways needs to be considered.

Another comment about the suggestion factor. The possible possession cases I've read about show that possibly possessed people are highly open to the suggestions of those who perform exorcisms. If they deal with an exorcist that expects negative behavior from the possibly possessed person, the person will respond accordingly. If an exorcist requests that Christ makes it so that a possibly possessed person doesn't manifest in a negative way but rather behaves his or herself, this is what takes place.

Anybody who has been at this forum for a while knows that I have a big place in my heart for Christ. I don't doubt his ability to help out in the manner he wants. However, if his power is actually involved with the possession cases people speak of, why are numerous exorcisms often required for one person? I would think that a demonic influence would split the scene as soon as Christ required it to do so. Tendencies of mind on the other hand, it is up to a person to overcome them. It may be that exorcisms in some way help people overcome such tendencies. Perhaps they lose belief in such tendencies. Responsible exorcists have afflicted people take part in follow up psychological therapy.

Even if attached spirits of some kind are involved on "some" occasions, the fact of how a person needs to change his or her state of mind in order for a spirit to go away, shows that they hold the key.
   

Here are some interesting parameters of people who get Multiple Personality Disorder:

"Another factor needed to bring about MPD is polarization of the parents, the usual caretakers of infants. One parent is seen by the child as good and the other as bad. What often happens is that the parents flip from role to role. But if the parents are together in matters of discipline, MPD will not be likely to occur. Usually one parent is the primary abuser, while the other one screams or deserts. The non-abusive one does not rescue the child or the damage could have been reversed.

The other factor needed for MPD is polarization of the siblings. This child must be the only one in the family to be abused. This child was seen as "different" from the other children, and therefore somehow "deserving" of abuse the other children did not get. "Equal Opportunity Abuse" is bad enough in its own right, but it creates in the children a different clinical picture.

So, in our view, MPD is still a valid diagnosis for a clinical picture, but it requires these preconditions:

1. Life threatening trauma before the age of seven. (Minor trauma is not enough. The child must fear for his or her life.)

2. Grade V hypnotizable Emotional Self.

3. Polarized parents - one good and one bad.

4. Polarization of siblings. Only this one is abused. The others are treated decently."


From this article.

http://www.dissociation.com/index/Definition/

I figure it is known ahead of time that a spirit is incarnating into a lifetime where it will have to go through some very negative experiences. Therefore, it is possible that alternate personalities are created by friendly spirit forces in the spirit World, so one personality doesn't have to deal with too much difficulty. It is important to consider how things are considered from the spirit World's perspective. They think according to bigger perspectives than we do. Hopefully a troubled person will receive therapy from a talented therapist who is able to help he or she.

Juditha:

It sounds like you're quite conscious of what is going on, so it doesn't sound the same as multiple personality disorder. I believe that a lot of us do what you do to one degree or another.  Our self image changes according to who we are around. When it comes to who we truly are, we are spirits who are collecting knowledge. None of the identities we buy into are truly us.


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Hi alan and recoverer  Thanks for writing back as you have helped me to understand myself a bit more and i realise that many of us do try and fit into situations using our personality,my councillor has said more a less the same thing to me ,in that she has said that i am stronger than i think i am and that I have learned to fit in situations in my life and she tells me many times that once i learn to love myself and feel myself worth i will begin to gain confidence in myself and will start to get on better in the world,i told her when i get this feeling of not being good enough to live,i do not have suicide in my mind and would never take my life,i just feel like being on my own for a while when i get this feeling and this feeling just goes away after a while but then she says once i love myself for who i am ,this feeling will gradually fade away and thats what it mostly comes down to is that i got to learn to love myself.

Love and God bless    love juditha