recoverer wrote on Apr 17^th, 2008 at 8:10pm:


Remember when you said keep to the love no matter what happens?
we should remember those words now.

We are all Mediums. In that we can all receive our own guidance and messages, in so many different ways. One of my best friends uses tarot cards. It's not the Tarot itself that speaks. it's the frame of receptive mind which taps into the answers each of us has access to.
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""In my first post about this matter I wrote that I believe there are genuine mediums. However, certainly some are fakes, and some get message from who knows what spirits.""
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true enough
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So, in his way, R is saying just be careful and ask for the highest good to occur.
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""I'm saying such methods aren't necessary if you want to make contact with beings who represent the light.""
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That's true, but still it can be fun to try it. I'm sure the beings who represent the light would not object.
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""Going by posts they've written, it seems to me that Deanna and Juditha have had more than their fair share of unfriendly spirits. Why get involved with a technique that might attract them? I believe it is "bad advice" to encourage them in such a way.""
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Perhaps. These unfriendly spirits they have called to themselves for a lesson, my opinion. To me, the medium who gave Deanna the suggestion to look in the mirror was genuine and good advice. in this particular case, that is what I picked up. I hardly think it will become a fad.
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""Please don't kill the messenger.  I was in contact with a being who radiated love and sent other messages when the chopped off legs message was sent. I've found that my guidance doesn't have a problem with being firm and to the point with its messages when this is what is required. It isn't concerned about meeting somebody's standards of PUL.  If it is a mistake for Deanna and Juditha to be overly accepting of what mediums have to tell them, then this is the case. My feeling is that a medium who is worth his or her salt would've know about Juditha's love of Christ, and not refer her to a mirror based technique
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I disagree, loving Christ does not necessarily mean we cannot play with our toys on the way to enlightened behavior.  the original post did not call for an argument about the merits or unmerits of the use of a mirror, but perhaps she got something out of the expressed opinions after all. I'm saying it simply doesn't matter the methods we use if we are correctly using these methods according to the highest intentions, which would be PUL. and using such methods does not mean necessarily a hoard of evil beings are waiting to descend upon the initiate. I wish we understood each other better.
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R.
Another factor is that my guidance doesn't pass on meaningless messages to me.
This was a message that was given to me to pass on to Deanna and Juditha. I would've done so privately,  except that it is hard to have a three way conversation via PM. Plus the message seems to relate to the topic. Perhaps I've made a mistake when I posted it publically.""
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Yes, I can see that your guidance is very important to you as mine is the same. no, it's no mistake a public post. its for a reason. I see that you would like to understand my viewpoint also but feel that I attack you when I did not see that I was doing that.
I feel we are separating ourselves from each other.
I thought you were an angel once. Is this not an incredible thought?
I don't think you would want me to think this but you want me to see your divinity connections.
I think each encounter with another person is a holy encounter. I believe we are all Sons of God. gender is not important. We are all equally loved of God and quite capable of getting messages from true source. Most of us here have not had a Christ vision. Still, that does not mean we have not experienced a sacred loving knowingness with spirit connected with Christ's love, just because we did not look upon the face he used to wear.

PUL to you! vaya con dios!

afterthought: when theres a problem with a relationship ACIM taught me something. It said to stand back and ask myself what is that "I" am withholding from the person I am in conflict with?

It also says to ask myself if they are coming from Fear or Love.

So if you are coming from fear, because I am feeling that, when a person is coming from fear they are really asking for love.

are you asking for Love? You did once. when you told me to keep love no matter what happens on this board. Remember? I respected you so much to say that.

Because...it was one of my favorite affirmations in ACIM it went like this "when you want to see only love, that is what you will see."

Then, this was nice. I get messages in the hypnogogic state sometimes. Guidance or guides said a rewording a bit "When you want to see only love you will see only God."

As I begin to practice this affirmation, I found out it increased the amount of love I saw in the world. Everywhere I looked I did see love in action. Pretty soon my love quota was full. It's still happening, expanding, the love..it makes others feel love the same when u pass it around.
oh, especially on this board, there was love abounding. I feel I had a hand in making this board grow in love, all because I believe in miracles, and truly, if someone expresses love here or out in the world, it seems like a tiny miracle is getting bigger and bigger. Each person that comes here, one sees only love or the call for love and answers it.
You did just fine with your message. I was again, expressing it does not matter about the mirror. apparently my viewpoint is not appreciated that I think there is nothing to fear, that we are all safe in the arms of love. it is a faithfulness that tries to express.
not many feel this way, so we should tell them, there's nothing to fear, a new world order is coming, and I believe it starts with you and me.
Every now and then you meet someone who cannot respond to love, yet they will, as no love thought is wasted.  the only way to see it is to express it and show it. So I'm not going to disagree with you, for I don't want to arouse your defenses in any way; and it does seem no matter how carefully I will speak to you, my words will seem as lies. I will just tell you about the love inside of you.

So I try to express it to you now, and I know you probably won't feel it from me, and thats quite all right. you are who you are.

Please know Christ loves you and me very much. thats all I have to say.

u remind me of this man carrying the world on your shoulders..I have a simple message also from Christ, that you don't have to do that, he has taken your burden from you and your way will be smooth from now on.

Be kind. accept his grace. I meant no harm, and if I may speak for Blink, she did not mean harm either. it is perspectives offered.

I'm going to do what I always do in relationships of any kind. I keep the love part. My standard of love as u called it, is that there is nothing else that is real but love, as fear, and misunderstandings are illusions that we can sort out together, without necessarily getting side tracked by fear, which also alludes to some threat. a threat that has not happened yet..still we fear it. Fear and love cannot be in the same heart.

so I keep u in my heart. I will not see anything that is not love in you. While you may only pick out my words what is seeming negatively charged. that is the risk I take to be misperceived. but too late, I have lost my illusions and gladly I release them.

I am feeling good about the future of mankind all the livelong day and I think we should not labor on small concerns such as what has been generated on this thread.

in my opinion. take care! Let me know if there's anything I can do for you that I'm withholding.

It's nice to hear from you, Deanna. I was curious about your experience after you wrote, so thank you for replying. I will tell you that I have not yet lost a parent to death, so I can only imagine how much you still long to share your love with your father again. In a way, the fact that you speak of him in such a loving way after so long is a beautiful tribute to him.

As a child of eight or nine, I was separated from my birth mother for ten years. For all I knew she could be dead. I thought about that fact more than once, and as I grew up I occasionally said a prayer for her. I wanted her to be alive.

When we were reunited later I found that she had thought seriously about suicide at a certain point in her young life. A group of buddhists taught her to chant, and so in this circle of peace she found the strength to continue her life, and she found the strength to continue to chant for over 30 years. There are many stories I could tell of her formidable strength and love for others.

Why do I tell you this? Perhaps just to say that where there is a will there is a way. As a matter of fact, just a few days ago I broke open a fortune cookie that said JUST THAT!

Where there is a will there is a way.

If I may take the liberty, it is quite possible that the image of you and your sister without legs was not meant to be disempowering at all. For all any of us really knows, there could be a much different interpretation of this image.

For instance, it is said that many people in the afterlife don't actually notice their legs so much. Sometimes they float along. Sometimes they even fly.

I'll bet that if you asked anyone who has lost their legs if their life is over, perhaps you might get a yes. However, I doubt that it is actually true.

Once a few of us here had a discussion about whether a human being might develop the ability to grow a new limb, even a leg. I think perhaps it was told at least once that a little boy showed evidence of a rudimentary ability to do this.

Consider this as well: a man on a horse has four additional legs to stand on.

If we look at our ancestors it is obvious that we contain abilities dormant and unused, potentialities of behavior and ability that are presently unknown to us.

So forget these dreams of sinking ships and gory dismemberment.

It is truly beneath us. When we are carried upward within the living spring waters of wisdom it is effortless. So look in the mirror. Look all you like.

Deanna, I hear the sincerity in your voice, and as I would tell any other forum visitor or member, a way will be opened for you.

As well as sincerity I hear the patience in your voice. Patience is needed in this world.

much love to you and all yours, blink


deanna wrote on Apr 17^th, 2008 at 8:59pm:

Alysia:

This isn't the first time you pulled out the PUL meter when somebody deferred with your opinion. Is it loving to start measuring another person's love level when you don't like how the discussion is going? Have I ever once accussed somebody on this forum of not having enough love? I believe that both you and Blink are loving people. I love how you are so quick and eager to try to help people on this forum.  I love how blink doesn't want to see "any" spirit end up in a lower realm for an extended period of time. This goes along with my way of thinking. But really, is it okay to pull out the PUL ruler and start measuring a person's love level when you don't like how the discussion is going? Did I actually say something below that is so negative, that you found it necessary to "measure" how loving of a person I am?


LaffingRain wrote on Apr 17^th, 2008 at 10:56pm:

Hi, you are all beautiful loving souls, I have only just read all this on here,I was only saying to my friend yesterday that i think of you all on here as my family and i love you all even though we dont always agree with each other sometimes, we have all got that wonderful thing called love for each other and that will never end no matter what.

God please look after my dearest friends
As my love for them,never ends

Love and God bless you all     love juditha

Hi recoverer please could you explain that message you got for me and juditha [legs getting cut off ] in more detail as it keeps playing on my mind thanks recoverer god bless love deanna