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Reply #15 - Apr 17^th, 2008 at 4:44pm

Hello Alysia:

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LaffingRain wrote on Apr 17^th, 2008 at 4:20pm:

well hmm. I love Blink and R both, and sisters Juditha and Deanna, as budding intuitives, or we could call them budding sensitives and leave off the tainted connotations surrounding the word itself Mediums.

We are all Mediums. In that we can all receive our own guidance and messages, in so many different ways. One of my best friends uses tarot cards. It's not the Tarot itself that speaks. it's the frame of receptive mind which taps into the answers each of us has access to.

""In my first post about this matter I wrote that I believe there are genuine mediums. However, certainly some are fakes, and some get message from who knows what spirits.""

If I can draw these two opposing viewpoints together a bit. maybe I'll try. When my friend pulls out her deck of cards she is merely preparing her mind to collect some data. Whatever she receives will be colored by her own mind.
There will be protection from negative entities if the medium ask for protection, and also for the highest good to occur here.
Using a mirror, or skyping is a bit like preparing the mind to concentrate on being receptive.
So, in his way, R is saying just be careful and ask for the highest good to occur.

""I'm saying such methods aren't necessary if you want to make contact with beings who represent the light.""

For instance Deanna, your father may not be available to come at the same instance that you ask him to come. He might be busy, but if on the 3rd time you try it, he may come.

Since you have a PUL bond with your father, you will automatically know in your heart if he has come or if it is a trick of some passing entity. Since you are studying mediumship, you may try a lot of different techniques as you go along and so R is being a worry wart again. Yet he is saying something fundamentally true that the girls will not be needing a mirror someday, it is just a method right now, in order to get to the realization that they no longer need to skype.

""Going by posts they've written, it seems to me that Deanna and Juditha have had more than their fair share of unfriendly spirits. Why get involved with a technique that might attract them? I believe it is "bad advice" to encourage them in such a way.""

I hardly think that legs being chopped off is a fitting image to give these young girls though, just from looking into a mirror. I admit I get frightened myself looking at my own image in the mirror, but the point is it can be used also to concentrate mind energies and come to the conclusion, YES! we CAN talk to our family members on the other side and we can do that using any method we wish.

I mean, that's gruesome R.

""Please don't kill the messenger. I was in contact with a being who radiated love and sent other messages when the chopped off legs message was sent. I've found that my guidance doesn't have a problem with being firm and to the point with its messages when this is what is required. It isn't concerned about meeting somebody's standards of PUL. If it is a mistake for Deanna and Juditha to be overly accepting of what mediums have to tell them, then this is the case. My feeling is that a medium who is worth his or her salt would've know about Juditha's love of Christ, and not refer her to a mirror based technique.

Another factor is that my guidance doesn't pass on meaningless messages to me.

This was a message that was given to me to pass on to Deanna and Juditha. I would've done so privately, except that it is hard to have a three way conversation via PM. Plus the message seems to relate to the topic. Perhaps I've made a mistake when I posted it publically.""

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Reply #16 - Apr 17^th, 2008 at 4:53pm

I think that it is also important to mention that the longer we all spend talking about the pros and cons of various methods and messengers, the less time we spend actually communicating with the spirits we are talking about. Most people who come here seem to have a burning desire for encouragement and real hope. When we spend countless hours discussing these kinds of trivialities, those people go hungry.

Hungry for the very thing that Ultra just mentioned. An understanding of the Bigger Picture of who we really are.

When people are truly tired of divisiveness, it will end. The method DOESN'T MATTER.

What matters is that the hungry people get what they need. You, me, everyone. But, now I'm getting riled up. Thinking about hungry people.

Time to go within....

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Reply #17 - Apr 17^th, 2008 at 5:11pm

Here are the possibilities:

1. I'm lying, I didn't receive a message, I just made the whole thing up for whatever purpose.
2. I'm deluded and hallucinated the message.
3. A deceptive spirit sent me the message for whatever reason.
4. A light being was communicating with me, but for whatever reason this light being decided to send me a false and meaningless message because this is what light beings like to do at times.
5. A light being did in fact send me the message, and did so with the purpose of getting me to pass it on.

I for one believe that number five is true, because sooooooooo many things have let me know that I am in fact in touch with light beings, and they wouldn't provide me with a message without having a meaningful purpose for doing so.

If somebody wants to tell me that I shouldn't pay attention to such a message, then I might as well completely stop communicating with spirits who represent the light, because what is the point of my receiving messages if I'm going to ignore them?

I'm also discriminitive and humble enough to realize that light beings do exist that know "much" more than we know down here in the physical World. This has been proven to me in many ways. I'll act like I am as wise as them, only when I get to the point where I live according to love and light to the same extent that they do so.

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Reply #18 - Apr 17^th, 2008 at 5:40pm

Blink said: When people are truly tired of divisiveness, it will end. The method DOESN'T MATTER.
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that's my point too Blink. Deanna and Juditha are however, drawing our comments to them, because they have made many posts regarding the negative things that happen in their spiritualist church. So in a sense, they need to hear these different viewpoints so they can get clear on these matters. My opinion, they attend this church because they either learn it's where they belong, or they learn that it's not where they belong and make new decisions. In the end, it's totally up to them and I hope they get some guidance from us to help them. I draw no inference that they are in the wrong place; whatever church one attends (I don't) you will find misinformed people, it doesn't matter the denomination.

I was led to post up something about images we receive in the mind and how I created a negative situation by passing on exactly the image I received as literal.

I saw a man raping women, and the women were so dumb, they didn't even know they had been raped but accepted this punishment as their just due.

Since the person I had seen doing this was a friend, I passed on the message not knowing why else I should be given this distasteful to the max scenario but figured he should know this, what he did to women and then he would stop this behavior and I would be the heroine to create this good that occurred.

I should have studied the images closer and studied my friend closer before I drop a bomb on them of this magnitude. Several years go by and I discover he was NOT literally raping women. He was emotionally raping them by making them feel badly. Like if they had a heartache. He might say to them "pull yourself together and stop being so wimpy." or It's your own fault, you brought your troubles upon yourself.

So the image shown of legs being cut off is too extreme to share. It should be interpreted more gently.
Just as I shouldn't have assumed the guy was literally raping women physically.
and then to say, I am Christ inspired, is to say Christ is directly speaking through you, therefore Christ cannot possibly be speaking through anyone else. it's egotistic to say it that way, may arouse dissention, which it already has.

Rather, would we all like to be Christ inspired and share your truth with you? sure. I can see Deanna and Juditha being Christ inspired also.

Maybe Blink, this conversation is important to get to the PUL.

In a way, if you read this whole thread you can see the connecting point being made Deanna, the mirror is an experiment only. if it works, I'd like to hear about it.

R thinks whatever you do do it from Christ, higher purpose only, have patience, you will meet your dad again at some point in time.
Deanna was expressing her love of her father. This we should have commented on.

Deanna, I did not have a father like that. You are blessed. I never even met my father. I can sense your love for him makes you want to try this method.

So let her try if she wants. it won't hurt nothing to try. Ask for protection, you will have it.

my philosophy as per the teachings from this very board: there is no bad, there is no good, all just is.
addition: R, I'm sure your message was right on, I'm not trying to make you defensive, I think we are all blowing this out of proportion to the original poster's idea. I think she was merely trying to express her desire and hope of meeting up with papa again and we took off on our own tangents, and your bias does often raise it's head here, although your intentions are good.
For instance, you do not recommend the ouiji board either. I don't either. However, how do you explain that I was brought to remember Christ directly through an ouiji board?
So what I'm saying it's also possible Deanna will have a good and valid experience through the mirror.

as I consider the legs being cut off thing again, it's also possible the message meant that there are forces working against the two sisters in that church, this occurred to me that there are factors in their church which seemed to me very spiritually immature, but it also occurred at the same time, that anytime in my life I was within a bad situation where the cards were stacked against me, it would also turn out to be a triumphant turning about of circumstance for my spiritual growth, and so even if there are some downright nasty folks in their church, we don't have the whole picture what they are learning to overcome. and if it turned out I was in the right place after all, I can say they are in the right place to learn also.
and the nasty folk? guess what? Christ has them under his thumb too.

It may not look that way, but I'm sure we are all in this thing together and theres a divine plan we don't see all of it at the same moment in time.

don't get in a knit R, I like the way you talk of Christ love. U just sound a little righteous sometimes. heres a kiss Kiss

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Reply #19 - Apr 17^th, 2008 at 6:15pm

Relating to what Alysia just wrote:

I didn't write that Deanna and Juditha will literally have their legs cut off. Such a message could also be a way of saying one could lose one's groundedness if one isn't careful.

Regarding the following from Alysia: "and then to say, I am Christ inspired, is to say Christ is directly speaking through you, therefore Christ cannot possibly be speaking through anyone else. it's egotistic to say it that way, may arouse dissention, which it already has. "

Didn't I suggest on this very thread that Deanna and Juditha refer to their connection to Christ rather than to mediums who say things such as stare in a mirror? Haven't I written that when it comes to how some channeled sources misrepresent Christ, people can pray to him and find out for themselves? Haven't I said on this forum a number of times that people can make a connection to Christ and receive his assistance? Doesn't it seem possible that part of the reason I've spent so much time writing about Christ is because I expect that others might also be interested in receiving his guidance? You make it sound like it's a mortal sin to receive guidance from Christ. What a twisted way to view things. There is no person in this World who will ever stop me from speaking about how Christ has helped me. I would rather be stoned to death.

You suggest that others might be inspired by Christ. Was Blink inspired in such a way when she was disrespectful towards the message I passed on? Clearly she assumed that either 1,2,3 or 4 from the below choices is true. Other wise she would not had been so quick to attack what I wrote. It seems clear to me that she didn't take the time to think about what she wrote, nor did she show the consideration to consider why I shared the message I shared. Dissention? Sometimes people need to look at themselves. I simply tried to respectfully communicate a message I received.

1. I'm lying, I didn't receive a message, I just made the whole thing up for whatever purpose.
2. I'm deluded and hallucinated the message.
3. A deceptive spirit sent me the message for whatever reason.
4. A light being was communicating with me, but for whatever reason this light being decided to send me a false and meaningless message because this is what light beings like to do at times.

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Reply #20 - Apr 17^th, 2008 at 6:36pm

Recoverer,

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This morning I received a message about Deanna and Juditha. Before they read it, they should realize that it was symbolic, not literal. I was told that they are getting their legs cut off. I didn't receive any more information, but I got the feeling that some of the mediums they speak to might be giving them false information.

"I was told that they are getting their legs cut off"

Man!! this is vague and could mean anything or nothing, it is worse than the mirror method you object to. However, I agree with you about mediums in a darkened room who fish for information before giving a message eg, there is an old man standing next to you wearing a hat. To which the gullable victim replies , "THAT MUST BE GRANGPA HE WAS OLD AND WORE A HAT"

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Reply #21 - Apr 17^th, 2008 at 7:01pm

Recoverer, you are an expert at fabrication. I was perfectly clear about what I was objecting to in your statement. It has not been addressed by you at all, and I could say exactly the same thing you did about "disrespecting" my own message to you.

Why is it so very important to you that others validate your source? So important that you would tolerate this kind of dissolution of a thread which you held NO INTEREST in before I replied to DEANNA.

There has been so much said here in the absence of Deanna, who seems to ever be "lumped together" with her sister as if her own experiences are not worthy and valuable on their own.

I think it is incredibly disrespectful to Deanna for this kind of ridiculous argument to occur. I'm sure this is the exact kind of activity that disrupts and upsets them both. I'm sure it happens all over the place.

Deanna, I apologize for being drawn into this. I sincerely regret it.

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recoverer wrote on Apr 17^th, 2008 at 6:15pm:

Relating to what Alysia just wrote:

I didn't write that Deanna and Juditha will literally have their legs cut off. Such a message could also be a way of saying one could lose one's groundedness if one isn't careful.

Regarding the following from Alysia: "and then to say, I am Christ inspired, is to say Christ is directly speaking through you, therefore Christ cannot possibly be speaking through anyone else. it's egotistic to say it that way, may arouse dissention, which it already has. "

Didn't I suggest on this very thread that Deanna and Juditha refer to their connection to Christ rather than to mediums who say things such as stare in a mirror? Haven't I written that when it comes to how some channeled sources misrepresent Christ, people can pray to him and find out for themselves? Haven't I said on this forum a number of times that people can make a connection to Christ and receive his assistance? Doesn't it seem possible that part of the reason I've spent so much time writing about Christ is because I expect that others might also be interested in receiving his guidance? You make it sound like it's a mortal sin to receive guidance from Christ. What a twisted way to view things. There is no person in this World who will ever stop me from speaking about how Christ has helped me. I would rather be stoned to death.

You suggest that others might be inspired by Christ. Was Blink inspired in such a way when she was disrespectful towards the message I passed on? Clearly she assumed that either 1,2,3 or 4 from the below choices is true. Other wise she would not had been so quick to attack what I wrote. It seems clear to me that she didn't take the time to think about what she wrote, nor did she show the consideration to consider why I shared the message I shared. Dissention? Sometimes people need to look at themselves. I simply tried to respectfully communicate a message I received.

1. I'm lying, I didn't receive a message, I just made the whole thing up for whatever purpose.
2. I'm deluded and hallucinated the message.
3. A deceptive spirit sent me the message for whatever reason.
4. A light being was communicating with me, but for whatever reason this light being decided to send me a false and meaningless message because this is what light beings like to do at times.

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Reply #22 - Apr 17^th, 2008 at 7:35pm

deanna wrote on Apr 14^th, 2008 at 7:49pm:

Hi went to the spiritualist church sunday ,the medium came to me and said to me you have got a mirror upstairs and i said yes i have the mediun said when you look in that mirror your dad will show himself to you i was really excited about this knowing that i may see my dads spirit i have been looking in the mirror so far nothing has happened but i am going to keep looking until i see dad ,i love my dad so much i miss him terribly he was a wonderful ,loving funny man i will never forget hin ever ,the medium said so many other things about dad which was spot on it made my day love deanna

ok lets start all over. This is a topic that Blink so kindly wanted to answer, so that it would not be sitting there all alone with no answer. Therefore, she was coming from PUL, or the kindness to take the time to respond.
Above, Deanna says a medium told her to look in a mirror and she would see her dad. now, how in the world can we make something evil out of this statement?
yet somehow it happens. so read on carefully what Deanna says next and look for the PUL in her post, and you will find it. she describes her love for her father. This is PUL. Notice it. Now at the end notice she says that the medium was spot on about her dad. Now notice what else she said IT MADE HER DAY!

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R, did Deanna ask for your opinion? or was she just sharing some PUL here? Did she ask anybody their opinion about whether she should look into a mirror? No, she was not looking for anything but to share her love and excitement that perhaps she would make contact with someone who is most likely already around her, and may even have placed this thought into the head of the medium who told her the message.

what right do we have to assume the medium is a bad one? We don't even know her.
Deanna most likely won't respond to her own thread now because it has been ruined, it was not her intention that all this disquiet be generated. In my opinion she was simply thinking we were her family and we would understand and share her hopefulness of contacting her dad, which is her right to try, without receiving a SERMON!

So I would admonish we don't offer advice unless someone asks for it as a sort of general rule, then we can talk about something else.

R, what gives with you? You talk about PUL but you come off like an evangelist.
Just know Christ is for all and may be speaking through a butterfly for all you know to your next door neighbor. I heard it from him, he has no favorites and will speak to anyone through the open heart.
This makes the atonement a done deal. You also come off angry. You don't need to do that here. We are SHARING, not preaching to one another, but learning from each other. at least it would be a good idea.

and you didn't read my addition where I explained what I thought the cutting off of the legs referred to.

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Reply #23 - Apr 17^th, 2008 at 7:40pm

Blink:

Put yourself in my situation. You've been in contact with spirit guidance for a while and you know this guidance is very loving and doesn't send you messages without having a reason for doing so. They send you a message about two people you know. It is clear that they wouldn't do so without a purpose. You post the message, and then somebody without considering who you received the message from and without knowing about the validity of the message, plays interferrence and gets in the middle of the message. How would you feel if this took place? Wouldn't you consider it inappropriate for this person to discredit the message of the spirit being who sent you the message, when this person doesn't know what the spirit being you received the message from is about.

You say that you apologize to Deanne for being drawn into this, yet if you would've considered the above before you decided to play interference, this thread would not had spread out in the manner it had spread out.

You responded to the message I shared not according to the knowledge of the being who provided it to me, but according to your own personal prejudices. You just won't admit that there are misleading people and spirits out there that should be questioned.

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Reply #24 - Apr 17^th, 2008 at 7:45pm

Alan:

I simply shared one part of the message I received according to how I received it. The rest of the message came in a manner that is more easily shared in the manner I shared it.

Man it is a mistake to share messages on this board. People are so quick to judge without knowing the facts of the situation. I will make a point to not share a message I receive about somebody publically again.

Alan McDougall wrote on Apr 17^th, 2008 at 6:36pm:

Recoverer,

Your Quote

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This morning I received a message about Deanna and Juditha. Before they read it, they should realize that it was symbolic, not literal. I was told that they are getting their legs cut off. I didn't receive any more information, but I got the feeling that some of the mediums they speak to might be giving them false information.

"I was told that they are getting their legs cut off"

Man!! this is vague and could mean anything or nothing, it is worse than the mirror method you object to. However, I agree with you about mediums in a darkened room who fish for information before giving a message eg, there is an old man standing next to you wearing a hat. To which the gullable victim replies , "THAT MUST BE GRANGPA HE WAS OLD AND WORE A HAT"

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Reply #25 - Apr 17^th, 2008 at 8:04pm

Deanna and Juditha:

The below is for you decide, not Alysia. As I said, regardless of how it troubles some people, I know for a fact that I have a spirit connection to Christ. He didn't identify himself on this occasion by showing his image as he has on several occasions, but the love and presence I felt is the same love and presence I've felt when he has identified himself with his image. I have come to know that Christ has taken responsibility for my spiritual welfare. I figure he'll do the same for anybody who asks with humility and sincerity.

If you consider it offensive for one person who loves and respects Christ to pass a message from Christ to two other people who love and respect him, please let me know.

It seems to me that Alysia and Blink think I'm a liar. If not, they would never ask a question as Alysia asked below. Judge for your self. Pray to Christ and ask him if I'm a friend.

[quote author=LaffingRain link=1208216963/15#22 date=1208475345][quote author=deanna link=1208216963/0#0 date=1208216962]
R, did Deanna ask for your opinion?

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Reply #27 - Apr 17^th, 2008 at 8:40pm

Hi there,

I think the responds to Recoverer are far over the top. He just shares what he got in a neutral way and leave it to everyone's opinion if he's right or wrong.

About methods: To suggest to someone a method to make contact to someone in the nonphysical, and adding what will happen can have some benefit, but a downside as well. The good thing is, it is likely to get results, the not so good thing is it's not clear what kind these results are. In a spary and cautious way, this method is used by TMI and Bruce as well, as with all guided meditation and imagination and pretending methods, "priming the pump", being optimistic and placing intent, that is. It depends very much on the specific suggestions, and on the viewer, whether the viewer has enough distance to it to maintain control about the filtering of delusions, suggestions and the meaningful "true" perceptions. Some methods, when not very well conducted, seem to leave too much space for all kind of unwanted stuff, as poorly set up ouija sessions and such.

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Reply #28 - Apr 17^th, 2008 at 8:59pm

Hi recoverer blink and alysia hawkeye and alan

thankyou for writing to me on this subject i value all your opinions you are my friends ,i havent seen my dad yet in the mirror i was really hoping to if only for a few seconds it would mean so much to me ,i have seen dad before but not in the mirror and he looked wonderful i loved that man with all my heart i think of him most every day ,the reason i believed this medium was because she said so many things about my dad what were true ,i get messages from spirit myself for different people and i always pass these on because spirit want me too ,their is definitley an afterlife i have had so much proof of this ,i,m sorry if i made you all argue ,never meant to love deanna

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