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Reply #15 - Apr 15th, 2008 at 2:31pm
 
balance wrote on Apr 13th, 2008 at 7:42pm:
Recoverer, love is indeed the way forward here on this planet, its our salvation. For we are to find it even when encased held within darkness, this is the test of the physical, so it would seem you are well on your way. But Bliss is not just love it is the most pure form of love you can achieve, its not possible to experience such energy here, as we are held here for the means of testing.

Some say life is an experiment. whether its an experiment, like a proving ground of the soul, or a test, I tell a joke to relieve the tension of it all..I would say look at your TV set and it sounds out a warning. this is humans doing this. then it says at the bottom of the screen "this is only a test. In a real emergency, you will be instructed where to go." To me, this is a real comfort, not a joke. This is what God says to me. "In a real emergency, you will told where to go." I hear this all the time and I know it's true.


But I can assure you that the love you have experienced here on this plane is nothing in comparison to that of Bliss.
I get an uneasy feeling that folks would be lusting after bliss with from such a comment when if life is to be experienced what is happening here and now, there is a compensation in the now moment which striving after what is conjectured as "in the future" sets up a block in the mind and a thought of less and more measurement. I ask you seriously, can anyone here say that PUL, or bliss that they themselves have experienced is greater than another's measure of that experience?
thats just the point. Bliss is like a miracle. In the future it becomes commonplace as a state of mind. but it can only become commonly accepted when we all extend ourselves what that state of bliss is, and how it can be allowed by one and all, without limiting the attainment of it to another dimension, such as out of body, although for sure we are in the beginning stages of understanding OBE as a whole.

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I have been privileged in that I have experienced Bliss through my astral travels there are no words to describe that level of energy
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no words but still we do this. with the words. why? because we are here now and together. I often think of what a great board this is, a place where I can bounce off others thoughts, so similar to my own. I truly don't know where else I could do this. to me it is like bliss to be right here talking to you, to all of you who read this, I would only say each of us is privileged through unmerited grace arriving.


except to say that I through this incarnation had opened myself, opened my heart to another through a very challenging time of testing and  I thought through that experience, I had indeed felt a high level of love here. But as this is a testing world by design and we are here with free will things didn't turn out as I had planned or hoped.
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there is a saying "the best laid plans of man and beast are made to go astray" this relates to the testing or proving grounds we mentioned above. we are still finding out who and what we are. no wonder no one can agree. yet each viewing point is just that. a viewing point, no less invalid than the other's viewing point, or focus of attention. PUL draws all to a common viewpoint. when I looked back on a life fraught with plans going astray, the factor that was brought to my consideration was the end result. the reward was that my plans going astray had purpose, to produce who I am now, in the knowing that I cannot make plans at all without God or what I call spirit's participation. We would be wanting only the highest good to occur for all. We can't do it alone.


I was at that time of my discovery fraught with pain and despair and so it was during this time of deep pain, I was shown how much more there really is.
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I see that image in my mind, what u just described. I saw a face with a frown on it. a frown that's not there anymore because of all your travels. yes, you have been privileged then and I'd say you are in extension mode and PUL pushes you out now. the interesting and excitable thing about what is happening to you that I can only say that you act to increase this PUL by sharing it. the only way we can keep something is by giving it away. but that acts to increase those experiences of PUL as well around the sharing.
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I experienced a merging within the astral this merging took place with someone I know here in the physical a being that is of high spiritual order, and when we merged as our energy's intertwined the first thing I thought was this energy is because we are two pure souls, but then my over soul tells me NO, this is the energy of bliss.
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I was thinking yesterday I wanted to do a poll on how many have experienced a merging with another being, physical or not, here on the forum. Instead I'm doing this post as I feel there are not enough lucid dreamers yet, nor obers, nor phasers who would participate in the poll. I think we all go out of body at night, however we don't remember it, we don't recognize the import of our dreams even. but the time is coming, we will all stand in the same place to recognize who and what we are, and that these dimensions of being, of life, are very much a part of our Earthly, physical lives.
briefly, I remember a merging long ago and a few more recent, with the same being who is also, like yours, physical now.
I do agree the other dimension has a pure quality, meaning undistorted from belief systems or expectations, because love is the basis of our spirit essence, while Earth is the sifting through belief systems for the truth of who and what we are.
as well I recall meeting my higher self, who was free from distortions, living in a place where there were no problems to figure out, while I, in C1 certainly had all my plans going astray. Higher Self told me to open my heart. there was nothing to fear in reality. my mergings were not what I would describe as bliss. I would describe them as unconditional love. Unconditional love is like having that best friend in school. with this one friend you share every tiny secret knowing they accept you just as you are, and this is the way God loves us; just as we are. I'd call it pure joy, but bliss, I don't know, that seems too much baggage around that word. I think freedom of self expression within PUL, is what we all want, as it would be a nonjudgmental type of consciousness.
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Now you must remember that I had thought I'd experienced something here, that the love I had was everything, I had for it sacrifice everything I held dear so you can see I wasn't playing around. So it would seem to me that my guidance allowed me to experience something so much more, so I could see what waits for me.
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what u say is illustrative of humanity evolving towards Love and harmony. I always say when we graduate here we will take the love in our souls with us..but now our fortunes, nor our degrees of learning can say who we are, but what service we performed for another to benefit, I think that is what it means when we say we go to our reward in heaven. to illustrate further, look at our music world here; is there a tune out there that is not either expressing love, or expressing the desire for love, or expressing some failed adventure in love? all you need is love, sings the Beatles. da da da da daa..
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We need to through all our pain through all the testing hold on to the fact that there is so much more waiting and that the struggle is indeed worth it.
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I might mention pain becomes less and less until there is no more pain. when someone asks me would u do it all again? in the sense that the struggle is worth the end result, yea, but there's another result beyond the worthiness reflection of the journey..it sort of looks like the eye of the storm. the observer part of the mind, which is connected with our god self becomes the eye of the storm and can see in every direction at once without the least confusion. This is the I AM.  Here is where the new beginnings are created. Here is where spirit speaks quietly, I need you to go down to the market place; there is a person who needs something you have. and for some reason you go down there and some interaction takes place and then you know why you went there.
then you know there is nothing going on here which cannot be fixed..all in time.

love, alysia

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Reply #16 - Apr 16th, 2008 at 10:08am
 
Greetings,

(This topic seems to have done a full twist since a couple of years ago when it was on the boards. People involved then have taken completely different views now.  Smiley  Guess we're on a Mobius strip, the twisted path of our eternal, never-ending quest. )

Alysia, You say: 'I get an uneasy feeling that folks would be lusting after bliss..."

I'm thinking one cannot go out hunting for bliss with any success. Lusting seems like it would be illustrated by a caveman cartoon, where the caveman's partner is first bonked on the head with a club and then dragged off into a cave for Lusting, pt 2.
Balance said his bliss has come as part of his soul's training, a stage that needs the wisdom of an Oversoul to determine. That was one of the things that impressed me about Balance's post -- his acknowledgement of the role that his Oversoul played in setting up Balance's experiences. Bliss was a gift provided him by his OS, not as a personal conquest. Lusting comes from personal ego that thinks only of bringing it on immediately or sooner. Lusting for bliss just seems impossible.

Alysia, you've previously told me that when we set our intent for some outcome, all we do is acknowledge to our self and our Spiritual Guidance/ OS that we feel consciously ready to experience that outcome. If we crave that outcome, we'll get some other lessons instead. So if anyone is thinking about lusting after bliss, they better be prepared for some surprises instead !

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Reply #17 - Apr 16th, 2008 at 3:20pm
 
Betson and others:

I don't believe that Alysia meant lust in the way Bets depicted lust.  Alysia's simply saying that we're in this World for a purpose,  so it is better we pay attention to that purpose rather than going into a reclusive bliss state all of the time.

I pretty much agree. I have a "however" that relates to how I meditated last night.  I was trying to see how it doesn't matter what people think of our body based personas. When it comes to the light beings we truly are, they couldn't possibly reject us. I experienced a strong feeling of expansive love. I also felt bliss.  The bliss Balance was speaking of.  I expanded to a certain extent, and then I was shown imagery that related to the concepts that were preventing me from expanding further.  At this point the love factor diminished, but I continued to experience bliss. A bliss where I felt I didn't need anything. Yet, once again, bliss and love together are sweeter. And once again I found that my ability to think about things became limited when I experienced bliss.  I figure the goal is to reach a point where we can experience lots of love, bliss, peace and joy, without loosing our ability to understand. In fact, I've found that the more I tune into love, the more I understand.

Back to the "however" above.  Going by the direction I'm progressing towards and going by the messages my spirit guidance has sent me, we can get to the point where we can live completely according to love while still inhabiting a body. Doing so will enable us to experience bliss in a manner that is different than the bliss one feels when one separates one's self from the World. Ironically, the bliss I'll experience at times that doesn't have a strong love factor, does seem to have a connection to the feeling of oneness. I'm still trying to figure it out and therefore I don't have a definite conclusion.
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Reply #18 - Apr 18th, 2008 at 1:45am
 
you're right Bets, lust and bliss in no way go together logically. I know it was a sublime experience for Balance and he worded it perfectly. I hope he doesn't take it wrong.

I was thinking along the lines that R mentioned, as  concerning a type of escapism that was not what Balance was talking about.
I don't think it is realistic to pursue bliss state 24/7. Peace of mind I can relate to. unconditional love is sufficient to be happy all the time.
I know there are transcendent states of mind we achieve where bliss is part of that. I think those are divinely inspired perhaps.

I'm satisfied with a constant state of peace personally. It is work though. but it gets smoother. I like the mental planes best..it provides a different kind of bliss but just as good, just as satisfying.

I wish Balance all the best of both blissful worlds.
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Reply #19 - Apr 18th, 2008 at 10:49am
 
  Hi Albert et al,

I don't know a whole lot about the differences between bliss or PUL, but these are some impressions i got the other day while briefly trying to feel it out. 

  Bliss seems like almost a purely receptive state and where you strongly merge with Oneness and so much so that briefly you lose a sense of individual self, hence of course its hard to think, act, etc. from this space. 

  It's almost like pure right brainness.  Did anyone watch that video that Alysia shared a little while ago, about the brain scientist who experiences the shutting down of her left brain hemi-sphere, due to some spontaneous medical issues, for awhile?    

  She called it "Nirvana" the feelings that arose, and while i don't think her left brain completely became inactive, the balance was certainly shifted strongly and in a polarized way to the Right brain.   But, bliss might have been another word to use besides nirvana. 

  PUL is also a merging, but in a more balanced way and where the seeming opposites reconcile and become one.   With PUL you can experience the joy, the moving, very feel good and positive feelings of Oneness, but you still retain enough sense of self to think, act, create, and still be an individual self.   It's not quite as all consuming as bliss, and yet also more powerful in a way.   
 
In order to fully experience PUL and become both a complete and pure resonator with and out putter of same (especially in a consistent sense) your own inner polarities must be merged, the Feminine and the Masculine.   This can happen temporarily at times with different folks, but for it to be completely merged in a perfectly balanced way is kind of rare yet when talking about in human consciousnesses.   

  That applies to the "He/She" types who are still involved with this world.  This cannot happen through extreme body imbalance like that brain scientist experienced.   

We all knew bliss in the beginning, but we've come to develop and know PUL.  PUL is more of a consciously, intentionally sharing type experience and the good feelings from same arise from that.  Bliss is already there, and can temporarily be tapped into without the condition or cause and effect of being purely loving and having a giving or sharing experience. 

Or, i just may be talking out of my arse.
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Reply #20 - Apr 18th, 2008 at 12:02pm
 
Greetings,

Yep, Recoverer, I did misunderstand Laughing Rain.
Laughing Rain, sorry. I get behind reading these and
then try to catch up too fast. But if I wait to fully
understand, I'll never get to post anymore-- So much
is going on here!

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Reply #21 - Apr 18th, 2008 at 1:54pm
 
Albert and all,

Joy/bliss (without “love”) is the experience of God/Self realization or being completely immersed in luminous white/golden light where there is only an incredible silence. You are totally alone. There is no other. You are the light and no other. The experience of what I can only label as the merging with the light of God where there is the loss of ego identity with all else that exists. Certainly gives new meaning to “Be still and know that I am God.”

This experience feels incredibly wonderful, but there is no wife/husband/significant other, no child/children, no friends, no thought, no memory, no individual identity, no time, no space, no anything. It is absolute oneness.

How many of us truly desire absolute oneness? How many of us are willing to give up all of our relationships? Perhaps this is why love and joy/bliss together is preferable as you mention Albert. Interesting that while we strive for oneness/unity, complete oneness/unity is also complete aloneness unless we are to somehow retain our individual awareness, which seems to require duality.

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Reply #22 - Apr 18th, 2008 at 2:24pm
 
Regarding the below, I figure that God started out as one, and then intentionally became many. Now instead of there being just God all alone, there are many beings who are parts of God. I've had it shown to me a number of times and in different ways that in the end many beings abide as one, with God.

Our existence as souls partly became a reality, when each of us was given the opportunity to determine our own fate. Just as a loving parent wouldn't set a child free to find its own ways only to have this child's life extinquished, things aren't set up so that each of our souls needs to be extinquished at some point.  

We can experience reality in different ways. I believe the oneness Kathy writes about below is one way to experience it. I don't believe that in the end all but one of us needs to say bye bye to our existence so that only God exists. It is interesting that numerous people have had an experience similar to the experience Kathy wrote about.  The fact of how different people can have such an experience without other people having it, shows that our individuality does in fact exist, even when we experience superconsciouness.

I refer back to an experience I've shared before. I was laying in bed wondering about oneness one night.  Suddenly I found myself walking down a city street (not physically). I was very happy and excited because I realized that there is only one self. I walked up to strangers and hugged them and they hugged me back, because they too understood that everything is one self.  Then I hugged my mom and the oneness wasn't there, because I had limiting concepts as to how to love my mom. Next I hugged a woman I was physically attracted to and she was also attracted to me, and we couldn't experience oneness because of our limited ideas of how to love each other.

Therefore, creation isn't just one big mistake that needs to be extinquished. Once we learn to love each other completely we can be one and many at the same time. Why have just one being who is all alone, when we can have many beings who share the same divine perfection?

It could be considered dualistic to suggest that everything needs to revert back to stillness in order for oneness to be, because this suggests that when manifestation exists something other than God exists.

If there is no such thing as time and only an eternal now, then even what has manifested is a part of this internal now. Otherwise, you'd have a period of time where manifestation exists, and a period of time where manifestation doesn't exist.  Can things actually be divided up in such a way?

Whatever the case, if there is only one self in the end, I claim dibbs. Unless some alien being who existed long before me raised its hand or whatever kind of limb it has first, and claimed dibbs before me. Wink I doubt this has taken place, because what would be the point of allowing me or anybody else to come into existence, if a being from a long time ago already claimed dibbs? Sad


Lights of Love wrote on Apr 18th, 2008 at 1:54pm:
Albert and all,

Joy/bliss (without “love”) is the experience of God/Self realization or being completely immersed in luminous white/golden light where there is only an incredible silence. You are totally alone. There is no other. You are the light and no other. The experience of what I can only label as the merging with the light of God where there is the loss of ego identity with all else that exists. Certainly gives new meaning to “Be still and know that I am God.”

This experience feels incredibly wonderful, but there is no wife/husband/significant other, no child/children, no friends, no thought, no memory, no individual identity, no time, no space, no anything. It is absolute oneness.

How many of us truly desire absolute oneness? How many of us are willing to give up all of our relationships? Perhaps this is why love and joy/bliss together is preferable as you mention Albert. Interesting that while we strive for oneness/unity, complete oneness/unity is also complete aloneness unless we are to somehow retain our individual awareness, which seems to require duality.


Love, Kathy

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Reply #23 - Apr 18th, 2008 at 3:51pm
 
great thread, you're right Bets, lots is going on here. hold onto your hats!  Kathy said "Oneness seems to need duality."

what is it like to experience a nonduality type of consciousness? this would imply integration of polarity concepts. I believe we are stepping into a new Earth where we will see some marvelous things unfold. From a 3 dimensional world, we are stepping into a fourth dimensional process. the fun part of it is being able to do it together.

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Reply #24 - Apr 18th, 2008 at 3:54pm
 
Alysia:

I agree that the fun part is being able to do it together, even when we disagree now and then. Smiley  I received a message for you. I believe it's about cutting. Huh  I think you either need to mow your lawn or trim your hedges. 

LaffingRain wrote on Apr 18th, 2008 at 3:51pm:
great thread, you're right Bets, lots is going on here. hold onto your hats!  Kathy said "Oneness seems to need duality."

what is it like to experience a nonduality type of consciousness? this would imply integration of polarity concepts. I believe we are stepping into a new Earth where we will see some marvelous things unfold. From a 3 dimensional world, we are stepping into a fourth dimensional process. the fun part of it is being able to do it together.

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Reply #25 - Apr 18th, 2008 at 4:07pm
 
sorry R, I have no idea what your message means.
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Reply #26 - Apr 18th, 2008 at 4:12pm
 
The message I wrote is a joke. However, I agree with the do it together part.


LaffingRain wrote on Apr 18th, 2008 at 4:07pm:
sorry R, I have no idea what your message means.

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Reply #27 - Apr 19th, 2008 at 10:03am
 
Quote:
Quote Albert:
Going by the direction I'm progressing towards and going by the messages my spirit guidance has sent me, we can get to the point where we can live completely according to love while still inhabiting a body. Doing so will enable us to experience bliss in a manner that is different than the bliss one feels when one separates one's self from the World. Ironically, the bliss I'll experience at times that doesn't have a strong love factor, does seem to have a connection to the feeling of oneness. I'm still trying to figure it out and therefore I don't have a definite conclusion.


Hi Albert and all,

I was responding to the above part of your earlier post. I apologize for not being more clear about that and hope I wasn’t being too confusing in what I said. I agree that we can get to a point where we can live completely according to love while still in a body and yes the joy/bliss we feel is different than the joy/bliss we feel when we merge with the light of God, which is our inner essence. The only thing that seems to separate us from God… from experiencing what I described as absolute oneness is belief in separation. Once we recognize that we are not any type of form whatsoever merging with the formless light of God happens automatically.

When eastern philosophies speak of illusion I believe this is what they are saying or basically that even though we find our identity in form, our true nature is that which is formless. The ultimate formless (God) is our true, unadulterated nature. The experience of this while in the physical is the merging with the divine essence within and in doing so we lose all of our identity with form and we know beyond a shadow of a doubt that we are one with this essence.  And this is where love comes into the picture. When we know our true essence is the light of God, we are able to recognize this same essence within all others and we are able to truly love the other because it is the essence within them or God that we love.

“Love God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your strength. And love all others as you love yourself.” 

You are the absolute light of God, so loving yourself (the essence that your are) is loving God the same as loving others (the same essence that is within them) is also loving God.

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Reply #28 - Apr 20th, 2008 at 12:30pm
 
recoverer wrote on Apr 18th, 2008 at 4:12pm:
The message I wrote is a joke. However, I agree with the do it together part.


LaffingRain wrote on Apr 18th, 2008 at 4:07pm:
sorry R, I have no idea what your message means.



trying to express humor here is hard R, I often get folks asking me to explain myself; I think it's because we cannot see each other's facial expressions, tone of voice..etc.

but been thinking about your message. I trimmed my hair yesterday. lol.

Kathy, excellent post!
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Reply #29 - Apr 21st, 2008 at 11:49am
 
Thank you Alysia.  Smiley

Just realized I forgot part of the above quote:

“Love God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength. And love all others as you love yourself.”
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