Hi Bets,

I am all eyes, some details please!

aLAN

Hi,

Regretfully, I don't have permission from the person living now to post the specifics of who is/was who.
I don't really expect I'll get that permission.
Of course nothing is real until it's experienced, so I don't expect anyone to take my word for it. But perhaps my experience (referred to earlier) will open the possibility that we are 'eternally' involved in a mode we call reincarnation.
Until you have your own experiences, Alysia's point of view seems like a good intermediate stage to adapt.

Love, Bets 

There seem to be two kinds of "reincarnation" memory. One is of something that is totaly different from what one is experiencing in this life even though something in the memory "rings true>'

The other is of something where there are parallels between this one and the memory.

I don't know if the two types of experiences should be separated or lumped together. I think the parallel experiences are corny. why would I want to do this TWICE? Yipes!

But sometimes the parallels are really eerie. What do they mean?

So bets is talking about a parallel type experience.

Here is another one:

http://www.confederateyankee.net/

I did not find this book exciting reading. However, the experience this guy had, of remembering something from a distant past, in a particular situation, and that led to his discovering all the parallels, is quite interesting. Alan can you get hold of a copy where you are?

another review:
http://www.psychicsahar.com/artman/publish/article_258.shtml

interview
http://spiritkeep.net/ghosts/interviews/jkeene_sey.html

I don't know what kind of proof you are looking for, but I wish someone would spell out the rules they want to use. I wrote on another topic : Ulcers, about the way we accept what physicians tell us without proof, because it is dogma (ulcers are not caused by just stress in spite of what docs used to claim). We don't ask for proof every time we go to the doc; why do you ask for such a high level of proof here?

I think the whole point of similarities, like deja vous awareness, the feelings of knowing someone when u first meet them, carrying scars or similar wounds from one life to the next is to get to the point of recognizing our propensity to change our destiny upon receiving the memory sufficiently.

The gaining of this type of awareness is worth whatever repitition we are observing as it causes new decisions to mull over. Making new goals to change what is re-occurring.

It would be analogous to what is human behavior in establishing a habit and wanting to change the habit by doing something different, because if you do what you've always done, you get what you've always got. A state of awareness/beingness where all things become "new" is what we all secretly desire. In Christianity it is called being reborn in the spirit. all things old pass away. life takes on a sparkle.
reincarnation can become moot in the light of what the Christians are trying to say on this point of being reborn. it is synchronistic with the heart path, PUL factor, and it is not a phenomenon that can be relegated just to one religion such as Christianity but being reborn can also happen with a person who has no religion to follow.
I simply attribute this to old souls. they've had so many lives, they have gained here all that is gainable and ready for the next sequence of events for their soul to occur.

observe Monroe's: "there is nothing here for me now. I remember where I came from and prepare for my departure."  This is what graduation entails. He is trying to describe a state of consciousness he came to, where the pull of the Earth station is no longer pulling him back to repeat anything.
Now, he has choice. No more one more time for old time's sake.

It is the ultimate freedom of the spirit to choose one's destiny. but the freedom that become before that freedom is realizing there are no victims..there are only agreements to play these roles until we observe what it is that can be changed..and that boils down to changing reaction to action consciously undertaken by choice to be assisting life rather than assuming we are prisoners here to fate.

Betson

did you get a chance to look at the interview? This is most relevant to this discussion.

I would be interested to know if the person you are talking about has read Jeffrey Keene's work. It is so similar a situation.

Keene's experience of being overwhelmed with sensations and emotions just out of the blue when he was just puttering around at Antietam Battlefield Park is really striking. It's as though he stepped across time. That to me is more interesting than all the other stuff, though it is a package deal. For him, seeing the photo was more intense. I've never had that sort of experience. Once when I was going through a particularly difficult belief system change, I was out walking and noticed I thought everyone looked like me for a while, but that faded; photographs last longer.

http://spiritkeep.net/ghosts/interviews/jkeene_sey.html
Interview

Hi Alan and members,

Incarnating into this thread here   -
I believe in reincarnation whether linear or non-linear (depending on one's intellectual or existential pov), since it just makes intuitive sense to me and also since some more developed souls also pointed in that direction. Based on investigation and experience, I do question the value for myself for any dire or pronounced necessity to know specifics regarding my past/other lives within the current context of this life. I have seen much misguided preoccupation within the pursuit of these issues to the point of ultimate and unfortunate (even obsessive) distraction in many seekers I have known. There are probably some cases when people who need corrective reorientation may need to know certain things about other lives in order to solve persistent problems, but I have a feeling this need is relatively rare since karma and Grace most likely provide the appropriate raw materials (including the use of regression, readings, or even personal direct facility in this area etc., if necessary and useful) in any given life with which to help process that which must be worked through. I guess in that sense I would agree with Alysia's pov to some extent.

Personally, even after having recieved 'indications' from various sources, feelings, intuitions, dreams, I have found that any such knowledge or lack thereof has evidently not created any impediment to my own current practice - iow's at least for me it has been largely unimportant even if some intermittent speculation has provided an occasional and enchanting diversion.

Of course, there is also the issue of proof, which seems to be a bit of a dead end as it is a totally subjective call for each person in either the affirmative or negative case, no matter what and how convincing information is presented from others. Also, just because one does not know something definitively doesn't mean it is untrue, and the whole continuous process of knowledge acquisition on any subject bears this out. Before you know, you don't know, and you may not even know that you don't know. When you do know, you know you know. Then, much like all else in life it seems to come down to what is useful or not, whether true and factual or not.

Here below are some good materials (in chronological order of publication) from a few contemporary sources I have found to be helpful on this subject among others, should anybody want to exlore them. It seems that spiritual masters do not make a big fuss about death, reincarnation, NDE's, etc., since for them it is all real, normal, and readily accessible 24 hours a day. They know and they know they know and apparently do not feel the need to put much energy behind the question of proof because it seems (apparently) irrelevant for them.

There are many issues brought up in this thread (and quite a few others for that matter) that are discussed in one or all of these materials, including the philosophical basis of the very discussion on the issue of proof itself.  


Essay by Swami Vivekananda on reincarnation:
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Complete_Works_of_Swami_Vivekananda/Volume_4/W...



3 essays by Sri Aurobindo on reincarnation:

1) "Rebirth", 2) "The Reincarnating Soul"
http://intyoga.online.fr/rk_1_2.htm  

3) "Rebirth and Other Worlds; Karma; The Soul and Immortality"
http://intyoga.online.fr/ld2_22.htm  

Further recommended by Sri Aurobindo:
"The Problem of Rebirth"  17 essays - various subjects all on the theme of reincarnation and karma (including the 3 essays in the above links) - were originally published separately in 1915(?), and  were later compiled and republished posthumously in the book in 1952.
At this link you can find most of the separate essays contained within the book by linking then scrolling half way down the page: http://www.aurobindo.ru/workings/sa/16/index_e.htm



A book by Sri Chinmoy, "Death and Reincarnation" -
The entire book dealing with the same subject, including many answered questions from seekers is available here:
http://www.srichinmoylibrary.com/books/0066/



- u

Don had written

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Jeffrey Keene describes a vivid experience that I suppose could be called such a merger

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this is from the interview page. This took place in C1.

So if it is not reincarnation, how else could Keene's parallels with Gordon be explained? and what happened on that road in Antietam?