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Apr 1st, 2008 at 12:50pm
 
As a skeptic of reincarnation, I am interested if any off the forum members can remember details from their past lives or even alternate lives. Has anyone on the forum who has past life knowledge been able to verify his or her past lives in some way, such as previous domain, surname, name or nick name. On the other hand, for instant give an account about history or places and happenings unknown to them in this present life.

Some verifiable proof could bring me around to consider this belief more carefully in my own life and how it could  effect any of my maybe future lives.

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Reply #1 - Apr 1st, 2008 at 2:36pm
 
Hi Alan, yes I have details, but they are inner, heart connection details, not cold hard facts to share. science has not caught up to spiritual areas of the soul yet.

just briefly, if you've read Robert Monroe, he has something to say about it. for myself, it doesn't make sense to have only one go around here...knowing my intrinsic energy signature as a spirit, it didn't seem possible to have only one life's experiences in a single body. There's so much to gain here on this particular planet..it's like no other in the entire universe, the diversity available for purposes of gaining more consciousness and attain graduation.  Graduation is nothing more than having attained the awareness you now have a choice, upon transition whether to return to another life. No one will decide for you, as the karma is burned off (wrongs righted)

For me, the whole objective of incarnation is for sheer adventure of the challenge of "becoming."
and of busting through the veil of forgetfulness of who I am, who I have been, who I still am and coming to terms with the present personality in context of the many "me's". it's humbling, but it's also reinforcing the idea to live this life to the fullest as there will never be another life like this one, and this personality I am now. so gratitude is what happens for any sort of life at all. There's souls standing in line for a chance to live here in physical. We're blessed in that sense..we got in, theres a reason.

for folks who don't like Earth lives I understand. I used to feel the same way. the thing is we evolve here, we change our minds. Instead of avoiding challenges, we change our minds to accept them. It's the same way with being a spirit..we enter in here to become more of what we already are, and like the mountain climber says "I climb mt Shasta because it's there."

We have lives because they are opportunities for soul growth. There are beings who have never come here..it's difficult. They are not forced to come here. It was a choice. Accept responsibility that at one time you wished to be here. Now you don't. If you accept that once you did, it's easier to go forward thinking positively and counting your blessings instead of looking at your cup as being half empty, it's really half full.  Yet I don't think a belief in reincarnation is necessary for spiritual growth to occur, more important would be to live life according to being of assistance to life rather than adding to the mayhem we see around us.

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Reply #2 - Apr 1st, 2008 at 5:34pm
 
Greetings, Alan,

I agree with Alysia that my dreams/visions can't proove anything. Neither can my saying that I had prior (earlier life) knowledge of a place that was then proven by more recent photographs. Nothing beats personal revelation,  Smiley as I'm sure you know from speaking of your abilities to someone uninvolved in these explorations!

A couple of other 'signs' that have pointed out my ties to the two previous eras that are now part of my consciousness:
--A chance encounter with a stranger while we both waited for an appointment, causing bells to tinkle and a voice saying 'she was your sister', although the pronoun 'she' was fudged, apparently not quite accurate. ('Her soul was in the role of sister to your soul' might be more truthful.)
--Trying to read books on a particular historical period before I had recognized that I had a life then, and feeling terror and having them fall from my hands until I gave up the attempt to read them.
--Meeting someone who played a pivotal role in my previous life and learning that that person's visions fit events in that life.

See, nothing proovable, just parts to a now large tapestry that I cannot deny.

Do you have several dreams that are unified by past clothing styles or other 'props or scenery'  that refer to a prior time?   Smiley  That's a good place to start remembering how often that period comes up to you with extra intensity, to find your role within it.

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Reply #3 - Apr 1st, 2008 at 8:57pm
 
Hi alan.I have had lots of dreams of past lives,but nothing like the dream of bevaley.I had a friend,who my wife used to visit.he and his wife had a daughter by the name of beverley,who died at the age of 23 years of cancer.in the past 10 years beverley was on my mind almost all of the time,untill one night I was awakened by a voice saying beverley.I said what about her.then I was shoned a very clear photo of milissia,a young girl who worked at the bingo.The next time I went to bingo,milissa was there.I talked to her about my dream of beverley.And seeing her photo.she told me when she was 23,it was the worst year of her life.she said doctors could not find anything wrong.She was having pains in her body and thought she was going to die.after when she turned 24,the pains left her.I said you have another body out in the grave yard.She was shocked.I said why dont you go and visit your other body.she said I may some day.George
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Reply #4 - Apr 2nd, 2008 at 2:45am
 
Thank you Alysia, Bets and George for you comprehensive response to my questions relating to the much-held belief of reincarnation. Although I have no conscious memories of past lives I do encounter people in my dreams that I know, but on awaking, cannot place them anywhere in this lifetime.

I have had the occasional de ja vu event and thought this might indicate other realities or past lives in some way. The strange people I meet in my dreaming state that "I know" but "I don’t know" (if you get my drift) are very similar to a de ja vu type experience.

In my case there seems to be a blurring between OBE , remote viewing and paranormal events that might migrate over into the past life arena if this is possible


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Reply #5 - Apr 2nd, 2008 at 9:44am
 
Greetings,

I agree that these various experiences all point to or 'blur together' a greater reality.
We humans named the segments of our experiences as OB, deja vu, etc. We named from our limited human perspective. And when we named them we separated them from the flow.
Some day we'll get back into the flow and wonder why on earth it was divided into parts.  Cheesy

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Reply #6 - Apr 2nd, 2008 at 12:14pm
 
Bets said:  Smiley Some day we'll get back into the flow and wonder why on earth it was divided into parts
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good question Bets! as with all questions, I have a belief that an answer is attached, like a tail, onto each question, if we would travel the question to the tail during meditation.
The flow you mention is interesting, because a state of awakening consciousness here can be likened to getting into a flow; it also can be likened to entering a state of grace, where the way is made smoother.

sometimes there is an image in my head of a cloud of souls raining down upon the Earth, peppering the Earth with unique patterned snowflakes. The water of spirit feeds the soil and grows life here; we are also the plants and vegetation in that sense. Some of us even enter a plant or tree becoming "one" with it and picking up info on that living item with our minds and with PUL. So I liken this flow to the cloud.

This morn I woke up with a tune in my head  Cheesy it went like this: HEY YOU! GET OFFA MY CLOUD!

haha! it's funny. (me, I'm funny) laugh at the rain, it only hurts for a minute! I have high hopes this year for all of us.  about the division, it's related to unity. The ego we must live with. the ego divides, the ego measures, the ego separates out. The spirit unites, blends, makes into wholeness what is divided in appearance only.

What Bruce taught me specifically by reading his books, and catching there what I needed in my thought system, was about the interpreter there in the mind.
He said the interpreter, which is likened to the ego, will provide and supply images whenever we are in contemplation, if you're not satisfied with the image produced there, nudge it over gently and ask for another image. Same with a belief system which we might harbor which no longer serves our higher purposes..no need to beat it up...just say thanks for serving me, as best you could, I no longer need your services..but never clobber the ego...it's just trying to do what you told it to do; survive in a world where duality, destruction and construction march side by side, and it all looks so real until the observer starts observing the patterns of behavior we get stuck in.

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Reply #7 - Apr 2nd, 2008 at 4:27pm
 
Greetings,

Dear Alysia, you've provided several wise  thoughts that stand out bold to me, but I'm most amazed by this:
" never clobber the [Interpretor-] ego...it's just trying to do what you told it
to do; survive in a world where duality, destruction and construction march
side by side,  and it all looks so real until the observer starts observing the
patterns of behavior we get stuck in."

When I read that I felt sorry for being irritated with that part of me so I thought to love it, send it PUL. Doing that set off a response of amazing relaxation/ resolution. I think you've healed something , Alysia---thank you very much!

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Reply #8 - Apr 2nd, 2008 at 4:39pm
 
Greetings,

Alan said "Some verifiable proof could bring me around to consider this belief
more carefully in my own life and how it could  effect any of my maybe future lives."

Truly, that must be the purpose of these revelations !
When we can put the parts of two or more lives together as one, we can better understand what it is we need to do here, who it is we are. That is certainly one effect of such discoveries, although at first it's easy to get carried away by the drama of playing several roles.
When dealing with the same aspects of life as I had before, i have to ask why am I repeating myself? did I not learn anything from that? Patterns show up better, and then it's easier to decide if these are attitudes I want to carry with me forever. (ugh  Tongue)

Some people say reincarnation is wrong because it distracts us from living life fully now, but if we use it to live our now life better, then we must be ahead of the game!  Smiley

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Reply #9 - Apr 2nd, 2008 at 9:15pm
 
Alan,

Here are just 5 of my many reasons for skepticism about reincarnation even in cases of alleged verifications:
(1) the evidence from mainstream clinical hypnotists against the legitimacy of past life
    regression
(2) the flaws in Ian Stevenson's research in the past life recall of young children (e. g. two
    cases in which the allenged prior personality was still alive at the time of the birth of the
    alleged reincarnating soul).  
(3) the transparent absurdity of Robert Monroe's OBE "memories:"  (e. g. a past life as a
    pilot on another planet whose plane flies so low it must dodge the spears of cave men; a
    life in which his current [late] wife, Nancy, was tied up by Catholic priests, so that Monroe
    could ritually rape and stab her).
(4) the number of subjects who "recall" past lives as famous people (e. g. Napoleon) in mass
    past life regressions

(5) But my biggest reason for skepticism is Swedenborg's astral refutation of reincarnation.
    He initially recalls past lives during his astral travels.  But when he reaches higher planes,
    he is taught that past life memories are illusions created by unconscious mergers with
    other discarnate spirits.  During such mergers, the memories of these spirits get
    misidentified as those of the astral traveler.  Swedenborg's guides offer to demonstrate
     this illusion to those in the lower planes who embrace reincarnation.  But the denizens of
    these planes refuse to cooperate with this demonstration.

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Reply #10 - Apr 3rd, 2008 at 12:03am
 
don,we are not suposted to know that reincarnation is true,because if it was proven to be true,people would stop having babies.they would not want some 85 or 90 year person coming back as there son or daughter.would you want that? George
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Reply #11 - Apr 3rd, 2008 at 12:33am
 
  Hi Alan,

  I guess i've tended to be much less skeptical about the whole reincarnation issue than yourself.  I've had some verifications here and there of hunches, dream info, and info that sensitives told me (which when pieced together added up to a very similar picture). 

   But hard core verifications as in scientific method...well don't know if this likely, and i haven't experienced it. 

  One of the more affecting experiences and verifications i had, happened rather spontaneously and out of the blue.   

  Many years ago, i had this really vivid dream wherein i was at a large library and a very wise seeming older looking man handed another man, whom i knew was "me" and/or an aspect of our Greater self, a large book.  I was experiencing the dream as a detached observer and from inside this man too. 

  The man opened up the book and a very vivid and real life, 3D type movie began to unfold.   To make a somewhat long story short, both "me's" started to observe this other man, a rough trapper type (a white, euro-american) guy trudging through the forest.  As both we's were watching this "movie" we started to experience it from the perspective of the settler/trapper guy too and i knew he was a part of us as well.  He got mauled by a bear, the bear didn't kill him though, and a Native American half breed healer woman found him and tried to nurse him back to life.   For some reason, in the dream she strongly reminded me of the singer songwriter Tori Amos and i jotted that down in my dream journal even though i thought it was rather odd and out of place at the time.   I don't remember if she looked like her or what.  Remember she was half N.A. and half White. 

  A few years or so later, i became friends with a lady on an astrology site, we had many deeper commonalities (as well as more superficial things, like i found out i use to live right near where she was and had been living for awhile), and we both felt rather familiar to each other but we didn't talk much at all about past life stuff. 

  Not too long after becoming friends, her husband whom she was very close too, died accidentally and out of the blue.  She was very devastated and became very grief stricken and became very wrapped up in her own self and pain.   For whatever reason, i felt a very strong, deep, and pervasive sense of obligation or duty to her and i told myself that i would be there for her no matter what, and honestly that wasn't always easy at times.   Normally, i'm not very good at keeping up communications especially through email and online kinds, i'm a rather detached and very Aquarian like in my relationships. 

  We ended up meeting in C1 a few times overall when i visited that area i use to live at because of family and friends.   One night when at a bar together, while talking, for some reason she looked a lot like or reminded me very strongly of Tori Amos.   This dream had been years before, i hadn't consciously thought of it for a long time, but all of a sudden the dream clicked in my head and i started getting this stream of impressions about her, us, our other selves all connected to that dream from a few years back. 

   I "knew" beyond a doubt that she was the half breed Native American woman and very talented healer in the dream who had tried to nurse that other self of mine back to life, and i got info that i did not remember from the dream, like that we had a relationship and that i ended up hurting her a lot (emotionally).   I got more detailed info than that as well, but i decided to ask her if she felt she had strong connections to North Native American at all. 

   She said yeah, and at one point it was pretty strong and especially along healing stuff.   I decided to just let go with all the impressions i was getting, and gave her all the main points in the above and some other info about "us" then, and as i was telling her she got a very strange expression on her face.  After i finished and some silence, she told me that many years ago her spiritual mentor an older lady, decided to give her a unique b-day present.   She knew an even older lady who use to give intuitive other life readings and who was involved with the A.R.E. for many years, and decided to ask her if she would give our mutual friend a reading even though she didn't do that anymore for the most part.    She agreed and two major lives and their influences came up in the reading.

   One was when she was a very gifted and intuitive Native American/White mix healer who became involved passionately with a settler, white man, but who ended up hurting her a lot.   She was told she and the man had unfinished business and that she would meet him again in this life.  In that life, both felt like outsiders and parts of two worlds.   Though the settler didn't have Native blood, in many ways he fit in more with the tribes, but yet he was still apart and not fully accepted by them and he because of his close relations with the "heathen" Natives, he was not fully accepted by the White folks either.    She being half breed had a hard time, but because of her gifts in healing and her general intuitiveness she was important to her tribe.

  Anyways, a lot of the major and minor parts all fitted together and lined up. 

  Was it just a coincidence?    To further complicate things, the man i viewed in the library was given psychic info regarding some of his other lives and one of his influening ones was as a settler/mercenary during very early American period, who became deeply involved with the Native Americans (both in positive and very destructive ways on both sides), and in particular a woman who was a half breed healer whom he had a relationship with and hurt a lot and the woman who had had this life, was told she became very embittered towards Whites, and especially white men after her experience with whom and what the psychic source called a "wastrel". 

  I had this dream at a time during greater inner turmoil and doubt regarding some info i had been getting regarding other lives of mine.   I had had some strong hunches, had been to a couple of sensitives, had some other dreams, etc. which all strongly led me to believe that some of my hunches might be true.   

  But at the same time, i was worried it was just ego crap and that i was possibly deluding myself even though i had experienced a lot of synchronicity and matching info on many levels in many areas previously, even BEFORE i had any conscious belief in a particular other life or before i consciously entertained same.   

  This dream came when i basically threw my hands up and said i give up, this is causing too much inner turmoil. 

  Anyways, the dream and the later experience with that particular friend, now makes a lot of sense on many levels, particularly my unusually strong inner need and desire to be there for her no matter what, the deep obligation i felt to her as if i was righting some deep wrong to her.   And its interesting how i came into her life, right before all that really challenging stuff happened and i ended up being one of the few people, if not the only person to consistently keep in touch with her for a long while after. 

  Now, was it hard core verification?   Probably not, but it was deeply meaningful to both of us and we both deeply felt the truth of this synchronicity.  To me, reincarnation and karma is all about relationships and balance.   The physical offers unique experiences and conditions, maybe not completely necessary to begin with but when one does become involved because of the nature of energy, attachments, etc., we tend to get somewhat stuck in relation to the physical and the relationships we have here. 

  Or like Bruce said in his story of Curiosity the probe, one of the pig pulls to the physical and to having other lives, was simply these emotional things and relationships, debts, etc. that Curiosity kept on creating in its relationships with other Probes and yet always feeling the need to balance and right once created.   That's the God part of us, the part of us which knows exactly what is right and loving and which desires perfect balance and perfect love. 

  Someone once asked a well known psychic source this, "What will convince me of reincarnation?" 

  The source just simply and succinctly answered, "An experience."    I've had enough experiences to realize that while the whole thing may be a bit more complicated than certain Eastern belief systems have promoted, and that we can sort of take in memories from other Souls/Discs, our own Souls/Disks still have their own physical lives and the karma connected to them independent of any memory melding type thing.  And instead of completely linear lives and gradual evolution through space/time, its much more like a Disk thing that Bruce talks about wherein a Greater self which exists outside of space/time, projects many various aspects of itself into various space/time cycles and not necessarily in a linear way that we tend to think and perceive from. 

  The truth is not either or, but both and all inclusive.  But to each their own and nobody is going to convince anybody else with the most logical arguments and/or the sharing of one's own personal experiences, or with collected data.  In order to believe, you have to be open to begin with, in order to have an experience it really helps to have some openness to begin with.   People can get really caught up in endless straw man arguments (on both sides), and more and more lately such stuff seems like a waste of time to me.  And yet, part of the reason we exist is to self express and to share and so maybe it's not a complete waste of time. 
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Reply #12 - Apr 3rd, 2008 at 7:12pm
 
Thank you all for your thoughtful comments and explanations. I have read them all and reread them to get a feeling and idea of this vexing dilemma to me about reincarnation.  See it as a belief that requires faith just like any other belief. It simply cannot be proved or disproved as all the evidence for it is circumstantial... Just like the belief in the existence or non-existence of God cannot be proved and just equally disproved. Atheist and believers must exercise faith to justify their beliefs and so must those who believe in reincarnation.

Many say the bible indicates that reincarnation is a truth by Jesus referring to John the Baptist as Elijah. But I am sure he meant John was of the likeness and stature of Elijah, not Elijah reborn. That is my view on this, be it what it may

Now I have a problem with statistics when trying to rationalize this belief within my own faith system.

Statistics below:

How Many People Have Ever Lived on Earth?
by Carl Haub

"How Many People Have Ever Lived on Earth?" is the most requested Population Today article. It first appeared in February 1995.
(Population Today, November/December 2002) The question of how many people have ever lived on Earth is a perennial one among information calls to PRB. One reason the question keeps coming up is that somewhere, at some time back in the 1970s, a now-forgotten writer made the statement that 75 percent of the people who had ever been born were alive at that moment.

This factoid has had a long shelf life, even though a bit of reflection would show how unlikely it is. For this, "estimate" to be true would mean either that births in the 20th century far, far outnumbered those in the past or that there were an extraordinary number of extremely old people living in the 1970s.

If this estimate were true, it would indeed make an impressive case for the rapid pace of population growth in this century. But if we judge the idea that three-fourths of people who ever lived are alive today to be a ridiculous statement, have demographers come up with a better estimate? What might be a reasonable estimate of the actual percentage?

Any such exercise can be only a highly speculative enterprise, to be ndertaken with far less seriousness than most demographic inquiries. Nonetheless, it is a somewhat intriguing idea that can be approached on at least a semi-scientific basis.

And semi-scientific it must be, because there are, of course, absolutely no demographic data available for 99 percent of the span of the human stay on Earth. Still, with some speculation concerning prehistoric populations, we can at least approach a guesstimate of this elusive number.

Prehistory and History
Any estimate of the total number of people who have ever been born will depend basically on two factors: (1) the length of time humans are thought to have been on Earth and (2) the average size of the human population at different periods.

Fixing a time when the human race actually came into existence is not a straightforward matter. Various ancestors of Homo sapiens seem to have appeared at least as early as 700,000 B.C. Hominids walked the Earth as early as several million years ago. According to the United Nations' Determinants and Consequences of Population Trends, modern Homo sapiens may have appeared about 50,000 B.C. This long period of 50,000 years holds the key to the question of how many people have ever been born.

At the dawn of agriculture, about 8000 B.C., the population of the world was somewhere approximately 5 million. (Very rough figures are given in the table; these are averages of an estimate of ranges given by the United Nations and other sources.) The slow growth of population over the 8,000-year period, from an estimated 5 million to 300 million in 1 A.D., results in a very low growth rate — only 0.0512 percent per year. It is difficult to come up with an average world population size over this period. In all likelihood, human populations in different regions grew or declined in response to famines, the vagaries of animal herds, hostilities, and changing weather and climatic conditions.

In any case, life was short. Life expectancy at birth probably averaged only about 10 years for most of human history. Estimates of average life expectancy in Iron Age France have been put at only 10 or 12 years. Under these conditions, the birth rate would have to be about 80 per 1,000 people just for the species to survive. Today, a high birth rate would be about 45 to 50 per 1,000 population, observed in only a few countries of Africa and in several Middle Eastern states that have young populations.

Our birth rate assumption will greatly affect the estimate of the number of people ever born. Infant mortality in the human race's earliest days is thought to have been very high — perhaps 500 infant deaths per 1,000 births, or even higher. Children were probably an economic liability among hunter-gatherer societies, a fact that is likely to have led to the practice of infanticide. Under these circumstances, a disproportionately large number of births would be required to maintain population growth, and that would raise our estimated number of the "ever born."

By 1 A.D., the world may have held about 300 million people. One estimate of the population of the Roman Empire, from Spain to Asia Minor, in 14 A.D., is 45 million. However, other historians set the figure twice as high, suggesting how imprecise population estimates of early historical periods can be.

By 1650, world population rose to about 500 million, not a large increase over the 1 A.D. estimate. The average annual rate of growth was actually lower from 1 A.D. to 1650 than the rate suggested above for the 8000 B.C. to 1 A.D. period. One reason for this abnormally slow growth was the Black Death. This dreaded scourge was not limited to 14th-century Europe. The epidemic may have begun about 542 A.D. in western Asia, spreading from there. It is believed that half the Byzantine Empire was destroyed in the sixth century, a total of 100 million deaths. Such large fluctuations in population size over long periods greatly compound the difficulty of estimating the number of people who have ever lived.

By 1800, however, world population had passed the 1 billion mark, and it has continued to grow since then to the current 6 billion.

Guesstimates

Guesstimating the number of people ever born, then, requires selecting population sizes for different points from antiquity to the present and applying assumed birth rates to each period (see table). We start at the very, very beginning — with just two people (a minimalist approach!).

How Many People Have Ever Lived On Earth?
Year      Population      Births per 1,000      Births Between Benchmarks
50,000 B.C.      2      -      -
8000 B.C.      5,000,000      80      1,137,789,769
1 A.D.      300,000,000      80      46,025,332,354
1200      450,000,000      60      26,591,343,000
1650      500,000,000      60      12,782,002,453
1750      795,000,000      50      3,171,931,513
1850      1,265,000,000      40      4,046,240,009
1900      1,656,000,000      40      2,900,237,856
1950      2,516,000,000      31-38      3,390,198,215
1995      5,760,000,000      31      5,427,305,000
2002      6,215,000,000      23      983,987,500
Number who have ever been born      106,456,367,669

World population in mid-2002      6,215,000,000

Percent of those ever born who are living in 2002      5.8

Source: Population Reference Bureau estimates.

So dear friends  according to this estimate we only had 5.8 of persons ever born living in 2002. Where are the other 95% of all humans born now existing, very few could have become ascended masters could they?

Alan
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Alan,I have read somewhere there were 5 billion people on the earth at the time of the great flood.George
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Hi Alan,

I am not certain about reincarnation - I tend to doubt the way it is represented as an inevitable occurrence.  If it happens, I do not personally believe it is as frequent an occurrence as some believe.  As to your math - it has been reported on this board before that since our population grows logarithmically, everyone could not have been on this planet before.  .  The problem is, that we are dealing with the afterlife, a realm not bound by linnear time.  Thus, some postulate that multiple lifetimes are being led by a single soul at different points in earth time (not linnearly -  but in past, present and future time).  The idea is that these experiences may then be integrated by the soul when complete in the afterlife - in the absence of linnear time.  Thus a soul called Ralph, might lead 300 lifetimes spread out over 5000 years of human time.  Some of the final incarnations may be in the past or the future of earth history.  So reincarnation does not have to be linnear.  Some have postulated that souls incarnate on earth or other planetary systems.  Some on this board even postulate the idea of a soul dividing itself into fractions - something I personaly have a problem with.

The question of where the new souls come from, or where they were before incarnating, is, of course difficult to answer.  However the multiverse is a big place.  If one postulates numerous realms of mind/spirit, interpenetrating dimensions, and multiple planetary systems, I'm not sure that we can keep up with the math.

The uncertainty of soul mathematics in no way supports the truth behind reincarnation; it does not disprove the notion either. 

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