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Reply #15 - Apr 1st, 2008 at 6:02pm
 
Hi I sometimes do not go out of my way to contact spirit,i just get things coming in from spirit but i'm always doubting myself but at the same time knowing that i am getting it information from spirit,i had a message from my dad from a very genuine medium a couple of nights ago and dad said through this medium that if i dont stop worrying and getting stressed most the time like i do i will be making myself really ill and he said also worrying myself to death,so now i feel my dad's given me a warning here so i'm looking at things in a different light and i'm now taking each day as it comes instead of worrying about the tommorows and keeping the stress level down.

Everyone is a medium,its just knowing how to open up to it,my friend has been getting this viking hanging around him and because he didnt understand this i tuned into this viking and described him how he looked to my friend and it was exactly how he saw him and i also got his name which was woden,well i was getting woden and my friend was getting oden but i feel that this viking could be his spirit guide and i asked my friend to open up to this viking and when he did this viking showed him this tree of life and told my friend he was to plant seeds but my friend does not quite know what this viking means yet but he will eventually get to know,its like everything it takes time.

There were these ducks walking along this pathway down near the coast and because i wanted to take a photo of them,i walked up to them and asked them if they would stop and let me take there photo,so they looked at me and stood there while i took it and then i said thankyou to them and they walked on.
The other night i heard these cats crying and i looked out of my bedroom window and i saw this black cat and this brown cat faceing each other and just as the black cat was going to attack the brown cat,i said to them really gently,"Dont fight,whats the point in fighting"and the black cat just looked at me ,they both did and they just walked away from each other and went there seperate ways and i just knew they understood what i said to them.

What I'm saying here is we are all connected to each other and animals as well,it is there in all of us and it is there in animals as well,i can almost say with certainty that there is an afterlife,i've seen my dad's spirit hoovering on top of him in his coffin smileing at me,i've seen him lots of times plus other spirits as well,i really feel that we can communicate with each other through mind thought and animals on the physical plain as well as in the spiritworld,when i came out of my body i had never felt vibration like i felt when that happened,i came out of my body so quick,the vibration was very loud.I feel that i personally have had so much proof that life exists beyond death but some never get that proof because they dont open up to it.

Love and God bless    love juditha

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Reply #16 - Apr 2nd, 2008 at 3:51pm
 
Juditha's posts always interest me, as she exemplifies most mediums. My tendency has been to emphasize the differences between the inner world and the outer world, but in mediumship there is a transcendence of this difference. As compared to the difference between looking outward and looking inward, mediumship seems to present a sideways perspective from a place slightly beyond either of the other extremes. Juditha mentions the dynamic sense of coming out of her body, a close simile.

It would appear that the internal world selects the dynamic by which life is experienced, while the external world imposes conditions and circumstances. In the act of living, both the external circumstances and internal dynamics change, Mediumship seems to require that the viewpoint be placed where both internal and external factors can be understood together.  Of course we do this from our posture in life, but we do it by looking in the mirror of history, like driving backwards down a freeway. Perhaps mediums could be said to look forward into the space of potential futures and events not yet realized. Then the proof of the transcendental quality would be in the total separation between inner and outer states, and that mediumship has bridged this separation, and proof of the afterlife would rest on the quality of the insights obtained.

This is the usual problem of evaluation of the medium's insights. Putting that aside for a moment, the posture from which the insights are obtained is significant of itself. We have evidence that, regardless of the quality of the perceptions produced, there is a viewpoint which lies outside of and beyond the distinction of inner and outer realities, and from that viewpoint the two extremes are somehow unified. This is easy in abstract math, we just shuffle the elements of the sets around. In life, however, this looks like a violation of the basic idea that the inner and outer worlds are different. In that violation we can find an excellent basis to argue that there must be some kind of experiential space associated with both extreme views. And we call that the "spirit world" or the "afterlife" or some such name.

In other words, because there appears to be a total distinction between objective and subjective reality, the fact that there can be mediums who capture both sides at once suggests that there are transcendental states, and thus that there will be some kind of transcendental reality, whatever its nature.  In personal terms, when we first sit in meditation and suddenly obtain a vision that brings in new information not available from the material world, we tend to feel, "Hey - There's really something out there." I suggest that this is essentially the same thing - we come to recognize the existence of something lying "beyond", and we do that by discovering insights for that perspective.

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Reply #17 - Apr 2nd, 2008 at 10:02pm
 
Matthew,

As you know, there are various methods and modes of allegedly contacting the dead.  Some (e. g. channeling) may be very limited in their potential for genuine contact.  Others may be best suited to contact spirits from certain postmortem levels, but not other levels.  In this regard, the often conflicting astral "geographies" may be seriously flawed.  There is the constant danger of confusing genuine astral states with illusory lucid dream states and their equivalents in waking hallucinatory states.  Given these problems, here is my proposal.  

The astral "geography" and verifiability of contact should be studied as if each method were the only valid method.  Patterns of differences gleaned by explorations with each method should be initially distinguished from the astral picture implied by the other methods (e. g. phasing with or without OBEs, waking and sleeping OBEs, NDEs, ADCs, EVPs, channeling).  Only the patterns are important because of the danger of fraud or psychopathology as an explanatory factor.  A synthetic approach should await the results of an atomized approach.  I would be interested in how readers might expand on (1-(10):

(1) Besides Robert Bruce's OBEs and Emanuel Swedenborg's astral travels, which types of
     exploration most often encounter discarnate spirits who seem memory-impaired?  Note:
     I appreciate that explorers like Albert trust their own contrary astral perceptions.  But in
     my view, even personal experience must defer to the insights of proven experts with
     superior verifications.  Crucial issues must be addressed here: Are experiences like
     Albert's delusory?  Or does Albert's method unwittingly tap into the unconscious memories
     of discarnate souls without those souls being aware of this?  Or does Albert encounter
     spirits in a particular phase (e. g. past life review) or spiritual level that is uniquely
     conducive to communication?
(2) Is this apparent impairment best explained in terms of the limited imagination of the
    explorer who is concocting contacts and lacks the creativity to unconsciously create an
    extended conversation?  Or is the impairment best explained in terms of adjustment
    problems in communicating on a plane with a different vibration?
(3) ADCs are far more common during the first year after the passing of a loved one.  
    What methods most often produce truly impressive contacts after a one-year duration?    
(4) Which methods allow detailed communication with these spirits about their earth lives?  
(5) How often, if at all, do any methods (besides channeling) provide long sequential reports
    of a typical "day," or rather, "serious of activities" in their new astral lives?  
(6) Which methods imply that the deceased can monitor the earth lives of their loved ones
     sporadically or on a continual basis?
(7) To what extent does the astral locale of the newly deceased (hellish plane, hollow
     heaven, Paradise [Focus 27?], higher heaven) affect their capacity to monitor the lives of
     their earthbound loved ones or to engage in verifiable communiction with them?
(8) To what extent, does the way a spirit passes over (accident, murder, protracted ailment)
    affect his/ her potential to engage in ADCs?
(9) To what extent, do people who are otherwise psychically gifted experience the best
    verifications and chatty dialogues with the deceased?
(10) To what extent, can each method engage astral spirits in an extensive discussion of
      problems such as (1)-(9)?  If not, why not?

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Reply #18 - Apr 3rd, 2008 at 2:45pm
 
Quick feedback to Beserk's questions from a clinical perspective-
1 - in regressions, everyone seems to be one-tracked, no breadth, memory only when directly reminded of things
2 - My problem is adjustment to the level at whch the respondent operates - I tend to remain unaware of what they are experiencing, even though I giuide the session
3 - I get uniformly good results with guided meditation or deep hypnosis
4 - Communication is always through the respondent who is doing the regression
5 - Unless caused by something, I rarely hear a report of "how it is in the astral"
6 - I ask if they are always in touch with us, they answer yes.
7 - The afterlife level never seemes to be important to those I've asked about being aware of us, but the number I've asked is quite small - maybe a dozen or so.
8 - My experience is that those with the heaviest karmic burdens are the most likely to have subsequent psychic phenomena in their lives in this world, and to be more likelt to have karmic phenomena in their afterlife activities as well
9 - I dunno.
10 - It appears as if the spirits avoid issues that are uncomfortable. They have to be pointed out, asked about, or otherwise brought to them. One broached, however, spooks seem capable to talking about their issues.

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Reply #19 - Apr 3rd, 2008 at 3:22pm
 
Regarding the below:

There is one main spirit I communicate with. This spirit doesn't tend to identify itself. There have been times I've asked it to identify itself and it wouldn't. This puzzled me until I finally figured out that once I made contact with Christ, I should've understood that he has taken responsibility for me. He has made his presence obvious to me a number of times.  For a while I thought that perhaps other guides are also involved. Perhaps such a need became unnecessary once I opened myself up to Christ's guidance.

Christ doesn't tend to provide me with information about cosmologies.  Most of the information I receive relates to my spiritual growth. Some of it relates to how I help out with retrievels and such. I do so in a manner that is different than how Bruce teaches.  Christ has given me messages that there are unfriendly spirits who need to be dealt with and things need to be done to make this World a better place. I've also received the understanding that Christ has divine authority to an extent that goes beyond what new age teachings are often willing to attribute to him. This might not make sense when related to what Robert Monroe and Bruce found, but I found differently.

I also make contact with other spirits, but not to the extent that I make contact with Christ.  Occasionally unfriendly spirits will drop by to say things such as "I'm going to kill you, I hate you, You're a f.....g ass...e Albert." They basically try to intimidate me because they want me to stop growing spiritually and want me to stop providing the spirit help I provide.  I don't believe I need to be concerned with them because I feel as if I am within the body of Christ.

Some people might believe that I'm experiencing according to some belief system. I know differently.  There is no way that my imagination could instruct me in the manner that Christ has instructed me. There is no way that my imagination could've helped me to the extent that Christ has helped me.


Berserk2 wrote on Apr 2nd, 2008 at 10:02pm:
Matthew,

(1) Besides Robert Bruce's OBEs and Emanuel Swedenborg's astral travels, which types of
    exploration most often encounter discarnate spirits who seem memory-impaired?  Note:
    I appreciate that explorers like Albert trust their own contrary astral perceptions.  But in
    my view, even personal experience must defer to the insights of proven experts with
    superior verifications.  Crucial issues must be addressed here: Are experiences like
    Albert's delusory?  Or does Albert's method unwittingly tap into the unconscious memories
    of discarnate souls without those souls being aware of this?  Or does Albert encounter
    spirits in a particular phase (e. g. past life review) or spiritual level that is uniquely
    conducive to communication?

Don

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Reply #20 - Apr 3rd, 2008 at 4:28pm
 
hi all, I don't think I can add much to this thread by way of helpfulness unless I started writing another book here and I'll spare you that! Smiley lucky people you.

I'll just comment on R's quote: Some people might believe that I'm experiencing according to some belief system. I know differently.  There is no way that my imagination could instruct me in the manner that Christ has instructed me. There is no way that my imagination could've helped me to the extent that Christ has helped me.
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R is expressing the difference between "knowing" and mere postulation or conjecture. If I consider what I learned through Bruce's book regarding the use of the imagination in order to contact the nonphysical beings, we are shown the value of imagination to be used as a doorway into this other very real dimension of spirit.
what is the imagination? is it merely a function of mind that produces images? I think the imagination is something a child possesses until they begin to lose that by fitting into as society dictates they should. I think imagination is an indication of an open mind. It is receptive to creativity.
When contacting nonphysical persons either of high or low character, or just their thoughts, the open mind will receive only what it is conducive to receive, only what it can handle.
otherwise you have the mentally disoriented who are a little too open and cannot close down. and another question of my own, what did JC mean when he said one must become as a little child to enter the kingdom? I think he meant to learn how to pretend, and by doing so, we create our own reality here on Earth.

it happens rarely that a gifted person will be overwhelmed by psychic impressions by being too open, so we can be thankful for that. back to the imagination, I used it in an experiment, and followed the instructions "to pretend." to pretend it was real. this allowed me to go beyond the aid of the imagination into getting my verifiable info which I could establish with another person as useful and of import in both of our spiritual personal growth. there seems to be a place the mind can enter which is placid, like a smooth lake, to say, where impressions on this lake can reverberate and these impression be brought into waking consciousness and interpreted then.

the images themselves need translation. Correct perception of these images and other phenomenon we encounter has a direct link to PUL in the emotional body. the heart opens as does the mind open. these are direct energetically spinning vortex's upon the body. most commonly known as chakras.

JC instructed us to have brotherly love, loving one another as you would your own self. If this is accomplished, it also becomes a mental development of willingness to Love. This would be a soul fruit.
PUL, allowed to be consistent in the mental activity as well speeds up all the chakras to spin, and become even more receptive to all phenomenon of natural and psychic implication.
An expansion principle is PUL. This is how JC performed healings, through his love. It is what he wanted the others to do.

the problem with being beyond all doubt, having your knowings, is that knowings cannot be shared to the full extend that the experience happened to that person.
thats because each must come into their own. the curriculum is individualized. What we try to do here is good though, because we search out the commonalities.
the concentrating or focusing on the commonalities will yield up more verifiable information because we are inviting more knowledge to come in due to being open of mind and heart.

Sensitive people, or psychics are not with impaired faculties; they are simply finely tuned instruments resonating to finer energies. It does not surprise me at all the JC would come and collect him.
JC does not exclude a single soul in the universe insofar as the truths he imported. but not everyone is willing to lay down their life for JC and follow him.

I do wish I could hear more of your report on your night in heaven R. However, words fall short of most any activity here, so I won't ask!  Smiley
matter of fact I like to read any first hand accounts here above analyzing as then I can draw my own conclusions about what truth is being told.
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Reply #21 - Apr 3rd, 2008 at 5:49pm
 
Hi dave recoverer aylsia and don matthew I have just got home after having healing and as Tracey touched me i saw Jesus standing next to her and he placed his hands over Tracey's and as he did this i had this loud ringing sensation in my head and as Jesus left her this ringing sensation stopped and when my healing was finished,Tracey told me that the spirirt of my little girl who i had lost was standing next to her and Tracey said that she had said a prayer to Jesus this morning ,telling him she needed him and thats why he probably joined in with her healing for a while.

I  also had had a dream that i was walking through this beautiful place,full of white light and as i was walking ,i could see everywhere that i looked these beautiful angels,i feel good since i had that out of body because there was my own proof we do have a spirit and that is a certainty,my dad has tapped on my forehead and i have felt it,he's kissed me on the cheek and that kiss felt like a cold sting,my dad has made my music centre play a cd and has made the volume go up and down.

Thanks dave for saying my posts are interesting.                  love and God bless       love juditha



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Reply #22 - Apr 3rd, 2008 at 5:56pm
 
Alysia:

First of all, I don't want there to be any misunderstanding that I was questioning Bruce's imagination technique.  I applied his technique during retrievels early on. While meditating or laying in bed awake, I would suddenly see a person who seemed to be in distress.  Their image would dissapear and I would get the feeling that perhaps I should do a retrievel.  I'd start off by imagining myself having a conversation with them and within a few seconds I'd find myself at some location interacting with them and events would take place without my directing them.  I was able to verify some information early on, but stopped doing so once it was established that the spirit helpers I work with aren't going to send me on wild goose chases.

In the physical World imagination doesn't seem to be a significant tool because reality is "sort of" fixed. In spirit realms things are more flexible so spirit beings interact and use their imagination to co-create whatever it is they experience. This is part of the reason I believe the imagination technique works. It is a good launch technique. I will qualify this by saying that if spirit helpers don't have it in mind to work with a person who is using the imagination technique, such a person might experience what he or she creates. Perhaps such a person will experience nothing at all.

I don't provide a lot of details about my night in heaven experience because I wasn't brought on a tour. It seems that the experience served the purpose of letting me know that God, Christ in a key role and the afterlife are realities, that the happiness level at higher realm level is wonderful, and that everything else works out wonderfully in the end.

I've had a number of other experiences. Sometimes I would simply be shown different locations that seem to belong to the spirit World. Beautiful landscapes with lots of light, sometimes locations that include buildings and very nice landscaping. Sometimes people could be seen within these areas.  These experiences seem to be third eye experiences rather than full blown out of body experiences. I used to have OBEs with all the effects, but now I either travel in a mental body/third eye kind of way, or I go OBE during a lucid dream, sometimes without the dream occuring first.

The other night I had a lucid dream that turned into an OBE. I could feel a guide behind me as this took place. I heard him speak with a male voice.  We flew into space and reached sort of a city that was in space. I say sort of, because it appeared in a beautiful way that is hard to describe. Yet, it was also kind of comical. I believe the comical part was a way of saying that the visual part of higher realms play a minor part compared to the love that is experienced.

Next we were in a building within the city I saw. We were by a stairwell that had a wall that displayed images that represent the diffferent realms. I noticed an image of the lower realms. It was purposely designed so you could see that it represented lower realms without having to show the negativitiy of a lower realm.  This stairwell led into a bookstore. People from the spirit World were within it. I asked my guide if spirits think about human history much once they reach the final goal.  I can't remember exactly what my guide said, but he basically said that sometimes spirits do, but not much.

Here is the reason for the above experience. I've been figuring lately that all periods of time happen in the same "now." Therefore, a point will be reached where all spirits will find that deluded existence no longer exists.  All spirits will live completely according to love and divine wisdom. I was figuring that after a while there would be no need to think about what it was like when one was human. Can you imagine dwelling on your current incarnation billions of years from now? For what purpose? The knowledge you gained will play a role, but the memories themselves probably wouldn't be something that you would want to dwell on.

During my night in heaven experience I had the feeling that there was nothing to worry about, because all problems had been taken care of.  To me this means that there aren't any spirits who still abide in a state of darkness, because all of us, or most of us if the viewpoint of soul destruction is true, obtain a perfected state in the same "now."  Any negative experience we went through while going through the learning process has been overcome in a manner so it no longer effects us in a negative way. That's why a lower realm was displayed in a manner that no longer appeared overly negative.  

When I say that my guide was behind me, I don't believe that his entire being was behind me.  He simply made things appear that way.  

Most of my experiences serve the purpose of instruction rather than being a tour of some kind.  
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Reply #23 - Apr 4th, 2008 at 12:19pm
 
hi all, Juditha, we can discuss some of our commonalities and I really like the way you have been giving more of yourself here..all these words we type  Tongue sometimes we don't know if it helps...but it does!

you mentioned the feeling of cold from the kiss..I and others have experienced the "cold" of this spirit realm. it is a verification to ourselves upon the body itself. a mark of the body resonated to this different energy but no one can explain it sufficiently yet. I know about the ringing sensation, this indicates a body sensation as well to more subtle energies in our physical world we most often don't hear or feel, yet a lot of people report buzzing and ringing. I wonder if this is like having on occassion the hearing facility of like a dog has? I always wanted to make of it something more than just ringing. I would say, "yes? who's calling please?" Never hear voices at those times so conclude it's random energy. but I believe you when you say it's related to JC, because that's the image you received and he is in this world, despite we might doubt that he would be interested still (my thought) why would he NOT be interested in all of us? lol.
no, R, I have no misunderstanding that you question the imagination technique. It's not a technique Bruce invented but a part of his self discovery, so we are naturally inclined to question all techniques anyway. btw there are many books on the imagination out there. Here's one published in 1946 by Neville, called Awakened Imagination. I just see all these books as different ways of saying the same thing for all of us.  when I blog here I'm not speaking to anyone personally usually, unless I preface it with their name. I am speaking most the time to unseen people, people who don't know what a retrieval is, or who are thinking this physical life is all there is.
you already have your knowings in that area, so you don't need me! its nice not to be needed sometimes!

thats neat, it seems I was able to get u to talk about retrievals..haha! I always wanted to extract some of your plateful.... Smiley that is how retrievals are done by the classical standard..an image appears and we seemed to just be there and we ask first for the guide. I would often have to "pretend" a guide was there, but sometimes I could see and hear them and have actual conversation. those were the very best retrievals of all for my own verification. there doesn't have to be full blown obe anymore, yet full blown allows a feeling that "all of your identity" is present and accounted for. I don't knock the obers who aren't phasing. We need reports on all of it.
my first retrieval was full blown obe, the obes have more sense of realness which leaves no question for doubt.  yet the mind does not need a body form in order to travel and collect and retrieve. so phasing is the new item.

when I first began retrievals, I would go to my "place" that I had imagined. I made a beach house where retrievers in training sat around in chairs, lol, waiting for a guide.
I've graduated from having to go there first. but anyone who's interested in doing retrievals could start with building such a place.  I seemed to know I was making it up but went with the fun feeling of doing so anyway. a surprise awaited me once when I went to my beach house. I found Monroe discussing something with several students, casually, in the living area.
I thought it most curious he was in "my" place. couldn't quite believe it. I started circling him to see if he was real. lol. he noticed me circling him and called my name. who me? I was not full blown obe, so the sense of unreality was there also. I did finally move in closer to him but only picked up a feeling of his personality, of a quality like magnanimity.

# noun:   liberality in bestowing gifts; extremely liberal and generous of spirit.

that was the end of that exploration. A couple days or weeks later, due to this first exploration I was working around the house one day when I got a feeling of this signature of his again and the impression was he wanted me to sit down and listen to spirit. Again, a casual feeling came over me.
I sat down and a blurred face appeared in my mind smiling. the smile was catching and appeared as a mere greeting. I totally did not expect this meeting.
Some of these experiences unravel and feel so normal and easy and without any effort whatsoever, yet I knew it was my beach house imagining that had created this "more real" experience in the now.

all he imparted was not that much to talk about here. it was impressions of conversation; like he knew I'd never come to him, so he came to me because I had the desire, and I wouldn't use the desire due to low self esteem at the time. he delivered boost. PUL. said things a friend would say to another.
like "you're doing swell." keep it up. it was nice. It's like the feeling that all will be well and everything is proceeding on schedule, that sort of feeling, that R was expressing when he encountered JC.
It gives soul confidence. I try to pass it on.

Some like the ocean. Some build a place in the mountains. It really doesn't matter as long as one is imagining and it's like building blocks of the mind.

so sometimes it seems we are experiencing a fantasy world. Yet to continue with the fantasy, one reaches a bridge to cross; the crossing of the bridge leads to more verification and begins to leave the doubts behind until finally, all doubts are gone and there is left a single knowing of being on the right track. this knowing gives rest to striving after knowledge yet gives momentum in the area of taking greater risks in exploring the unknown because you soon know there is safety in PUL.

Juditha, you are doing the right thing to share the connections you make with spirit, with your dad, and JC, etc. from my studies I have applied, the way to increase the kingdom is by sharing.
If we don't give it away to others, it will not increase.
so no matter what spit flies back in your face...I mean when trouble comes as you're trying to speak your truth and being misunderstood sometimes...you cannot be quiet about what you know. thats why I admire you.
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