Hallo All - my first posting here!
In the FAQ of this site, Bruce Moen briefly mentions how, for example, Alzheimer's disease may alter thinking at death and affect the Afterlife progress of the individual, or where they "land".

Has anybody had any experiences relating to this kind of effect on people passing over with Alzheimer's? Should I be concerned for my mother, who passed over last month - I had cared for her full-time for the last seven years with Alzheimer's? As a family, we were with her for the entire final three days of her life, up to and beyond her passing, which was not peaceful for her, gasping for breath as she was. During the last afternoon and evening, we told her how much we loved her, and urged her to seek and follow the light. 45 minutes or so before the end, she suddenly opened her eyes wide, and held them so, clear and bright, for the remaining time, apparently transfixed on what she could see slightly above and to the front of her.

Because I had not been able to communicate properly with her for so long, due to the Alzheimer's, a message of some sort from her now would be extra-special. My father, who passed over in 1989, came three months later in a vivid dream which imposed itself over a "normal" dream I was having at the time. The quality and form of the dream left me in no doubt as to its nature.

Incidentally, we had the Relocation text from Bob Monroe's "Going Home" tapes read out at  mum's funeral. The minister, a lady vicar, read it out beautifully, and it was very moving.

Best wishes to all.

Greetings Alfred,

Your caring was certainly a blessed factor in your mother's passing.

Alan has assured you of what I would also say, that her mind was clear
at the end. My step-mother's situation was very similiar.

Welcome to this site. I hope you'll find more here to ease your way!

Bets

Thank you all for your replies, and to Alan and Betson for your kind words and thoughts. You are surely right - if the Afterlife has an objective reality, as this site explains, then all physical illnesses of the physical body are left behind with that body. Despite the Alzheimer's, my mum retained her sweetness, and her dazzling smile and chuckle almost to the end. Bob Monroe said these were expressions of the eternal Core Self, didn't he. I'm also told she always knew when I came into the house, or heard my voice, which is nice. Even on her last morning, gasping through an oxygen mask, she raised her eyebrows in response to my greeting her in her hospital bed. She was still there, despite the physically ravaged brain.

Has anybody done any retrievals involving people who have passed with Alzheimer's or similar conditions?

Best wishes

Alan-

I'm afraid you missed my point.

I fully understand there's no comparison between Alfred's mother and Manson or Dahmer nor was I making such comparison.

My point was the role of the brain in terms of influencing our actions, and the difference between the brain and the soul.

The question gets down to our real identities.  If our true identity is our soul and not our brain-determined personality, then to what extent are we culpable for things we do that may be the result of a damaged or dysfunctional brain?

Is it possible that Manson's soul remains pure even as his brain influenced his murderous behavior?  Suppose that when he dies, an autopsy is done and it's discovered that there were damaged parts of his brain, specifically the parts that allow most of us to know right from wrong?

The books by Michael Newton get into this whole question of identity and who we really are, and why some people become sociopaths and can kill without feeling any remorse.  He discusses the role of the brain vs. soul.


R

ps- I'm well aware of what Manson and Dahmer did

Alan-

So, you are actually saying that their souls are/were depraved.

That would then also say that God, Who created their souls, was complicit in creating evil and depravity.  We humans can create other physical humans (including brains), but as far as I know, no human can create a soul.

Why do you suppose God would do such a thing?

There's a well known story about a soldier who sustained serious brain injuries in Iraq.  The injuries were so severe that he was transformed from a loving husband to someone who actually tried to strangle his wife.  His soul was the same, but his brain was radically changed.

Please enlighten us as to how/why a soul itself got to be intrinsically evil and depraved.

R

Alan-

I have some real problems with ACIM (for one thing I highly doubt it was authored by Jesus), but there is one thing it says that seems to me to make sense:  God is Perfect.  God is incapable of creating anything that is less than Perfect. 

So I can't see how a soul, having been created by God in a state of perfection, could become evil or depraved.  But maybe it can.

I agree with you, we are all mortals and therefore prone to making any number of mistakes, especially our views of the nature of God and the purpose of life.

I would guess that even those in the afterlife are still searching for answers.

Hi Rondele-
If we start back at the very beginning, just a moment prio to the Big Bang, or whatever you want to call it, there wasn't anything at all except the motivating power of God. In fact, the nature of God was essentially in and of that motivating power, hence the term "Father", as the seed and source.

One moment later and we have the explosion of everything that exists filing the cosmos. It still has the same nature, the projection of the initial Godhead, but not it is beginning to spread out in different patterns. This is where individual patterns start to occur in the interactions of one part with some other part. Yet the sum of the parts remains the same, still just a manifestation of the One God.

Moving ahead a few billion years, here we are. We still are made of the same stuff, the same one empowerment by God. But we all seem to be quite different. Some of us do things that seem terrible to others. That's not because there is a script that tells us to be terrible, but rather that those parts happen to be caught up in relationships that make it seem as if those are proper things to do - a matter of confusion, delusion and iognorance. Like the days when we were children, that it seemed OK to sneak a cookie out of the cookie jar. To us it was innocent. In the same way, to the "evil doers", their actions seem ultimately innocent and appropriate - otherwise they'd alter what they do to some other way to get a payoff.

Finally, if we look a few billion years ahead, we can see all this stuff coming back together again - and it again sums to nothing but the motivating power of God. All the rest, the personalities, the interactions, the errors and discoveries, turn out to be ways in which that power manifested itself. Fortunately, since everything is "made of God-stuff", there is no permanent damage, as God is infinitely capable of self-restoration.

My point is that in the short run, all of these things look really important because we can only see the immediate circumstances. However, in the long run we can see that this is simply God's way of being God and, while doing so, it's God's way of discovering the more preferable, as well as the less preferable, ways of doing things. And the common thread linking the experiences seems to be that a soul is born without any guidelines, and must learn by growing, from total selfishness to total altruism and unity with God. 

Jesus didn't seem terribly worried about such things. When people mentioned misdeeds done to children, he responded, "Such things must happen. But woe to those who do them."

dave

Greetings,

For Alfred,

If you will post a retrieval request over in the Retrievals Forum, you will most likely get PMs from those here who are more active with that interest. Just give the general circumstances (again  ). Then with those respondees you can use PMs to give more specific information that will help them to find her. Some need her name and area or date she departed.

Most retrieval requests  imply that the results can be posted in that forum, unless you make other privacy arrangements.
(Postings there help encourage others to make their contacts also.)

And of course the bond you shared with her will help you to contact her too. In a quiet and loving moment just start talking with her in your mind and see if when she answers, she will find ways to prove her reality to you.

Bets