Hi  Emily Rose's possession was a true story and that she was possessed of six demons one of which she named Judas,one was Nero and one was the devil not sure what the other three demons were named,the priest was actually taken to court after Emily Rose died charged with not bringing a phychiatrist in,though when Emily Rose died she had claw marks and scratch marks all over her body and i beleive she was possessed by these demons and i wonder now that Judas was not forgiven by God for betraying his son Jesus,so perhaps Judas is in his own hell.I wondered what you all think about this.

Love and God bless     love juditha

Hi There was one time that Emily Rose heard her name being called and her spirit left her body and walked towards a tree and the beloved mother mary stood there and told Emily Rose that she could either go with her or stay behind to let the world know that possession can happen and Emily decided to stay behind,she was not mentally disturbed she was truly possessed in my opinion and thats why the beloved mother mary wanted her too leave her story behind for us all to know that possession can take place.

Love and God bless   love juditha

Juditha,


I am in accord with Don on this one. Judas was just I tragic figure who wanted Jesus to become the righteous conquering King to over through the Romans with his God-power. He could not reconcile Jesus as a Suffering Messiah

Demons take on the persona of some evil person at times. Demonic possession is an awful reality of which I have personally observed in “horror” I must stress.


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Judas is a good example of God being totally forgiving, as in Jesus' words from the cross, while the mortal man having seen what had been done was unwilling to forgive himself.

I find it striking how this fits in with the general idea of souls stuck in their own BSTs.

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Juditha:

People who really look into the matter with an open mind, find that the Bible doesn't prove the existence of a devil.  Where would such a being come from? Some say a fallen angel. They partly base this assumption on the book of Isiah.  The book of Isiah was written around 500 B.C. No talk of a fallen angel existed at the time. Just a fallen king of Babylonia. More than 800 years later fallen angel language was added. Does it make sense that language that was added more than 800 years later is more accurate than the original language?

Some people believe that the seven headed dragon in the book of revelations is satan as a fallen angel. This isn't true. This dragon was merely symbolic. His seven heads represented seven hills in Rome. The satan being spoken of is the Roman empire.

Some people believe that Jesus dealt with the devil. This story is probably just a symbolic representation of Jesus overcoming his lower nature.  The same lower nature that Paul spoke of in great detail.  If Jesus really was tempted by a devil, would he be tempted for 30 days, or would the conversation end in less than a minute?

There was a time where the old testament would use the name adversary rather than satan or devil. Adversary was a word that was used whenever somebody spoke of a physical enemy. There are times in the Bible where either Jesus or Paul speak of satan, and I get the feeling that they are talking about somebody such as the leader of the Roman empire. It is just that translators went from adversary to satan in a manner that causes readers of the Bible to become confused.

I know you say you saw the devil once. You said it spoke with the devil's voice.  Even if the devil actually exists, how do you know what his voice sounds like? Is your idea of what his voice sounds like based upon movies such as the Exorcist? If you think about it, just about anybody can make their voice sound in such a manner. This is what happened with the Exorcist. The makers of the movie had an actor speak with a deep coarse voice. Regarding how the spirit you saw appeared, spirits can appear in many ways. Don't let their halloween masks fool you. It is also possible that your own beliefs created the image.

The real story behind the Exorcist is quite different than the movie. A thirteen year old boy played around with an ouija board because he tried to make contact with his deceased aunt, who by the way taught him how to use an ouija board. The priest who worked with him said he believed the kid was possessed by a demon, because this is what is faith required him to believe. The spirit who troubled the kid would come and go. The kid never got to the point where he would lay in bed all day with a really bad makeup job like Linda Blair did in the Exorcist.  In the day time he was free to speak to a priest about Catholicism without any problems. He went to school. Once he decided to become a Catholic, the spirit who troubled him went away. This shows that the kid had a choice in the manner. When he decided to go in the direction of Christ, the spirit who troubled him "didn't" have the power to trouble him.

I'm not saying that there isn't such a thing as evil minded spirits. However, when people get into that devil talk they give them too much credit. It is up to us to decide whether we want to be involved with their way. The fact of how one never got the best of you shows that you are free to decide. Therefore, where is the need of being afraid of them? Just be careful.

In addition to the story behind the exorcist, I've read Scott Peck's story of Jersey, Mark Cuneo's exorcism in America, and some other exorcism stories on the internet. One thing I found interesting is that the people who believe in demons speak of demons that relate to human aspects of mind such as the demon of lust, the demon of greed, the demon of confusion, the demon of hate, and so on.

Another thing I found interesting is that each person who was supposedly demon afflicted had some sort of psychological issue. For example, Jersey was molested by her father while she was a young teenager.

Another thing I found is that there is a lot of suggestion that goes on with possession cases, with the suggestion coming from the people who try to help a person who is supposedly possessed or demon afflicted. Scott Peck hypnotized Jersey early on. Set things up so she was prone to listen to his suggestions. Some people believe Scott Peck was open minded because he went from being a psychologist who doubted possession, to being a psychologist who believed in possession. The problem is it seems as if he checked out what Malachi Martin had to say about the matter, but didn't check out alternative viewpoints.   I believe that if a person is truly open minded, they would check out what numerous sources have to say.  Going by what I've read, Malachi Martin had a one track mind. Anybody who didn't believe as he did, was demon afflicted.  For example, he believed that people at the Vatican became demon afflicted simply because they interpreted things differently than him.  

When I read Scott Peck's story of Jersey, I believe it is possible that her mind responded to his suggestions. It would do so with aspects that pretty much all people have to varying degrees. He wrote that in the end satan himself came through. I had a hard time seeing that there was any evidence for such a conclusion. Especially since it is very doubtfull that a being named satan exists. It seems that he concluded in such a way because of his belief in Malchi Martin's viewpoints.

In Mark Cuneo's Exorcism in America I read that not all exorcisms are as theatrical as others. This is because some charismatics (people who do the exorcisms) ask that Christ prevents a possessing spirit from doing things such as throwing up, spitting, cursing etc.  Some charismatics have found that a supposed possessed person tends to respond to the suggestions that are provided. If you bring up the subject of throwing up, then they are liable to throw up. I don't doubt that Christ has the power to contain evil spirits, but I get the impression that what really takes place is that people with psychological problems and a highly suggestive state of mind, respond to the cues they are provided. Regarding their ability to manifest in supernatural means, psychologists such as Carl Jung have found that hysterical people are 50 times more likely to manifest something that is supernatural in nature, than non-hysterical people are likely to do so.

I'm not saying that unfriendly spirits never influence people. I believe that they do.  But who these spirits are and the manner that they do so, can't be defined according to satan/demon viewpoint. Especially since there is no proof for the existence of satan.  In most cases nothing more than a former human spirit is involved.  Sometimes these spirits are confused, and buy into the suggestion game. Sometimes they might play along because they want people to believe that powerful demons exist, because they understand that fear is a great weapon to use against people. If they can get a person to believe that they are possessed, this belief will cause a person to manifest as if they are possessed. Don't under estimate the validity of this prior sentence. Belief can be a powerful thing.

There might also be some alien spirits who influence people, but I doubt that they have anything to do with satan based mythology.

There is one other factor to consider. God doesn't want us to be a bunch of robots, so he gave each of us a free will. Either we can use our will to come closer to him, or we can use it to move in the other direction. If we choose the other direction, we can become really nasty without a being like satan becoming involved. Therefore, some of the former human spirits who trouble people might be just as bad as any supposed demon could be.  However, I doubt that God would set things up so that unfriendly spirits can cause us to act against what we will.  He would contradict his own law of freewill if he did so.

I do believe we can get fooled. An unfriendly spirit might try to get us to go in a negative direction in an incremental way.  The more one gives in to their telepathic suggestions, the more one moves in their direction. Eventually, one might get to the point where it is hard to move back in the other direction.      

Juditha:

Attached at the bottom of this post is an article based on what happened, rather than what the movie had to say.

Emily believed she was possessed by Lucifer, Judas, Nero, Cain, Hitler and Fleishcmann-a disgraced Franklin Priest from the 16th century. Does it make sense that a mythical spirit being and the spirits of five former human spirits would gang up on one girl? One would think that if evil spirits wanted to do harm, they would try to influence people who have the power to do harm.  Nero and Hitler would be much more likely to energetically attach to a current World dictator. Especially since they would have a natural energetic connection to such a person.

While Emily was supposedly possessed, she would tell people that they need to atone for their sins. Why would a demon possessed person tell people such things? Consider the following from the attached article. It shows why she did so.

"Had Anneliese been a deeply religious person prior to 'being possessed'?
Yes. Anneliese and her three sisters were raised in a strict Catholic family. Her father Josef had considered training as a priest and three of her aunts were nuns.

Four years before Anneliese was born, her mother gave birth to an illegitimate daughter, Martha. As a result, her mother suffered great shame and was forced to wear a black veil on her wedding day. When Anneliese was a child, her mother encouraged her to atone for the sins of illegitimacy through fervent devotion. When Anneliese's sister Martha died at the age of eight during an operation to remove a kidney tumor, this likely only increased Anneliese's desire to do penance for her mother (telegraph.co.uk)."

Once again, I don't deny that there are unfriendly spirits who sometimes influence people in a negative way. However, I believe that in order for people to know how to respond to them properly, they have to have a clear understanding of what the nature of these spirits are.  If people try to figure out the nature of these spirits on the basis of superstition, they prevent themselves from finding out what is necessary in order to properly deal with them. Look how things worked out for Emily Rose.  She went through numerous exorcisms without success. Eventually she ended up dying. It wasn't a matter of her not wanting to be free of her problems. She ended up starving herself to death because she believed this would force satan (Who?) out of her.

Regarding Jesus referring to satan in the Bible, consider everything involved when it comes to translation issues. For example, if you were to look at early versions of the Old Testament, you would be hard pressed to find the word '"satan."  Instead you would find the word "adversary" which means different things according to the context the word was used. During later translations the word "adversary" was changed to "satan."  During the years of the Old Testament people believed that good and bad things happened to them according to God's will. Some people couldn't understand that if they are God's chosen people, why was he allowing bad things to happen to them. To take care of this problem, their leaders started to blame their problems on a powerful adversary. I doubt they actually had factual knowledge about such adversaries. They simply came up with a way to insure people that God was still on their side.

Certainly it is possible that the same type of translation issues occurred when Jesus has been credited of saying "satan." Who knows what he actually said or intended?  Regarding his exorcising demons, possibilities other than the current human concept of demons could've been involved. Perhaps sometimes he helped people get rid of their own afflictions. Sometimes he helped them become detached from former human spirits who were energetically attached to them.  It interesting to note that the gospels of Matthew, Mark and Luke which are quite similar to each other speak of exorcisms, while the Gospel of John, a gospel known for its signs of Jesus' divinity, doesn't speak of exorcisms at all.

I believe it is important to make the World a better place. One of the ways to do so is to increase the human race's love level. Love is a powerful energy.  The more a person lives according to love the more he or she increases his or her vibrational rate. This causes the vibrational rate of others to increase, they in turn help increase the vibrational rate of others, and so on and so on. The same effect takes place when people radiate love. They effect each other in a positive way. Another thing that happens is that less negative energy is created. The combined effects of such changes could cause negative minded spirits to be repelled by the World's energetic field.

If there are negative minded spirits who want to effect the World in a negative way, one thing they would want to insure is that the above changes don't take place. One of they ways they would combat this is by trying to cause people to become afraid, because they know that fear prevents people from opening up to love and spiritually progressing. Therefore, when people give all kinds of credence to the satan like demon stories of the World, they could be helping those who trying to prevent our vibrational rate from increasing.

I've had numerous experiences that relate to this subject in some manner, and I've found that the powerful satan based demons some people believe in don't exist.  There are out of body explorers and near death experiencers who have found the same.  Robert Monroe found that there are unfriendly influences, but he was never told that they have something to do with a being named satan. Bruce Moen was never informed of such beings.  Emanuel Swedenborg found that the evil beings who exist are former human spirits. NDE people David Oakford, George Ritchie and Christian Andreason only found out about former human spirits.  Howard Storm wrote of Alien beings who are evil in nature, but he mentioned no connection to such beings and a being named satan.  Howard also wrote that God's angels are more powerful than these beings and look out for us.  However, he also mentioned that there is the issue of free will. If one wants to align one's self with negative minded beings one is free to do so.  Sometimes a person will do so without meaning to, by manifesting in a negative way. Things have been presented to me in a similar way.  We decide.

Juditha, I doubt that you want to go through the rest of your life having more fear about these matters than you need to. Life is so much more joyous when we don't have such fears. Being free of such fears isn't a matter of ignoring the subject. It is a matter of trying to find out what the truth of the matter is, so false beliefs won't cause us to be afraid. It is also a matter of finding out that if we choose to align ourselves with goodness, love and God, we don't have to worry about negative influences. Perhaps an unfriendly spirit might try to mislead or intimidate us now and then, however, we hold the key.






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Juditha:

No problem with the delay.  Interesting story you shared about the priest and his wife. I believe people shouldn't underestimate how aspects of a person's mind can manifest. Especially if a person's supposed demons manifest as personality aspects that any person can have, a person has a belief in demons, is in an unbalanced state of mind, and is open to the suggestions of the person who does the exorcism.

I figure if an unfriendly spirit is going to try to influence a person, it'll do so in a manner that isn't as noticeable as they were for Anneliese. They would gradually try to get a person to do more and more immoral things, until a person becomes a person who is quite negative.  If a person won't give in to such telepathic influences, they won't be influenced.

I also believe some unfriendly spirits will try to get a person to believe he or she is possessed.  If a person is led to believe that an evil spirit is able to take over his or her will, this belief will help a spirit trick them into believing that they are possessed. The possibility of this is shown by people who believe they are possessed even when a spirit isn't messing with them.

I don't believe that an invading spirit ever takes over the entire mind of a person. Certainly they don't overtake a person's soul.  This is because the personality/personalities of an invading spirit isn't going to have the ability to take over the personality/personalities of the person it tries to take over.  Our thought patterns are packaged together in a manner that is far too intricate for this to happen. There may be cases where a person's personality traits are so similar to the personality traits of an invading spirit that such a person doesn't have anything to resist with.  If they don't ask for divine help, this could add to the problem.

You're welcome Juditha. Sounds like a good idea. Your heart belongs to God, not to whoever.


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