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eaglecrow New Member Offline Posts: 3 Gender:	Verification of names,dates etc Mar 8^th, 2008 at 4:44pm Are there any books or papers written with verification of names,dates, etc to offer proof of that person being helpd or retrieved or contacted to have acually existed? I would appreciate any help on this. Eaglecrow
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Reply #1 - Mar 8^th, 2008 at 5:01pm

Greetings Eagle--

I don't know of any large collections. The Monroe Institute has been at this for longer than Bruce has, so you might try their website. www.monroeinstitute.com

It's hard to verify a death. Before I did retrievals, I did some genealogy for my relatives.. There is a Social Security Death Index SSDI that is some help in the US, and some British indexes are good. No records are complete due to families moving, spelling errors, etc. Police records and newspaper archives take forever and are incomplete.

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Reply #2 - Mar 8^th, 2008 at 11:07pm

Yes, I have gotten some names and had the same problem, on google you go crazy sooner or later, and the databases of deceased are non-public or unavailable.

The other way of course is try retrievals "on demand", looking for people passed over whose relatives ask you for it. Avoid getting any information about the retrievees beforehand! It would diminish the chance for a verification and can distort the perception.

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Nanner Super Member Offline Theres only AGAPE Posts: 764 Hamburg, Germany Gender:	Re: Verification of names,dates etc Reply #3 - Mar 16^th, 2008 at 10:41am I often wonder if someone could do a genuine retrieval of my grandfather. Hugs, Nanner
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Reply #4 - Mar 17^th, 2008 at 3:26pm

I have a friend and his father passed away recently. When he looked for a paper to place an obituary, he couldn't believe how much newspapers charge for them. This being the case, obituary based information might not be that easy to obtain by going through online obituaries.

I had some confirmations early on, but eventually it become impracticle to try to obtain a confirmation everytime I took part in a retrieval. What is much better is to realize that we don't do retrievals alone by wandering around in astral space and hoping to run into a stuck spirit who needs help. Instead, we have spirit helpers (light beings) we work with and they help us make the connections we need to make. Once we get to the point where we know we can trust the spirit helpers we work with, there is no need to have them continously provide us with verifiable evidence.

In the past few years I've communicated thousands of times with the light beings I'm connected to. I've found that they always have a purpose for making contact. This being the case, I can't imagine why they would have a person take part in imaginary retrievels. Perhaps early on for the sake of practice.

There might be cases where a person makes up retrievel experiences. This is why it is important for a person to have a few verifications early on, and to make certain that they are working with spirit helpers who represent the light. If they establish the later, and find as I found that spirit helpers don't play games and make up false retrievel experiences, it might not be necessary to have physical verifications.

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Reply #5 - Mar 17^th, 2008 at 5:37pm

Nanner, if you send me a picture I might be able to help out with a retrieval. if pic no available, I need some way like a full name of concentrating on something about him. u can email me.

EagleCrow, I received verification on a Sir Hillary of the 16th century from a history book. he was killed in a sword fight and was blinded. he spoke through my friend and my sister looked up his name.

I once did a retrieval on a teen, but only had her first name of Cami. and her college town. I looked in that state's online newspaper for a death of a girl, but I didn't have a date either. it was very frustrating looking for obituary too of a Cami. I was wasting my time and energy. I had verification in the heart.

I did get verification from a poster here of a retrieval he requested. I got a good look at her face and hair during the retrieval and he reported I was correct, and also her racial heritage. she was a ghost to them that sat on their bed. after the retrieval the poster reported here to the forum, the ghost did not sit on their bed anymore!

I'm sorry I have no factual data to supply. We are just developing here and not quite finished developing.

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Reply #6 - Mar 21^st, 2008 at 8:39pm

Thanks everyone for your replies. I recently lost my only son. He was nineteen. I suppose
I could tell you that I am getting through this but I am not. I'm tired of crying on everyone's shoulders since it does not help. I am tired of this indescribable darkness but it is where I live now. My old address is gone. I can't sleep and I am so lost that I cannot imagine going on with this.In my desperate attempt at finding help in finding him, I have heard that he is in a dark mood there and unable to respond to help. Another told me he is fine and flying around a tree. Of course I have heard that he is in a better place from everyone. What better place than here with his father? Such remarks make me homicidal. So I found this site after reading all of Mr. Moen's books and his retrieval CDs. I listen to 20 differnet Hemi-Sync CDs. I attempt to meditate. I attempt to astral project (OBE) Nothing helps and mediums are expensive.
Once I believed I was a spiritual being, but now I have come to the conclusion that somehow I have done something so terrible that I have been abandoned. Please, I do not say this forsome sort of sympathy. I have felt sorry for myself to last a million lifetimes.
As I read these posts, I get the feeling that somehow I do not have what other people have and I certainly can no longer afford to buy more CDs or go on a grieving retreat in the Bahamas. I want to find my son. I have no other interest in life but that. God I miss him.
My life is shattered and I need to be so careful not to be the grieving father grasping at straws to believe that my son is OK.
So my question of proof of retrieval was in hopes of finding some answers. I have read every @#%*@#* book on life after death (Moody, Anderson, Brown, Moen, Monroe, etc.)
I belive and yet......I die a little more each day. If any of you see my boy, tell him I love him so much and that I'm trying to find him.

Eaglecrow

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Reply #7 - Mar 21^st, 2008 at 10:07pm

all I can say is don't give up hope you will make contact. since you said you read everything and nothing helps I won't direct you to what worked for me.
I can share a few thoughts about when I lost my husband back in 83. maybe it might help you, if it just gave you some hope that it will happen for you.

I empathize the enormous pain of losing someone is the most truamatic thing can happen to any parent.

me and my husband made a deal whoever crossed first would contact the other one with reports how they were doing on the other side. so this way I had it set up, where you didn't have that ahead of time.

yet maybe heres a clue: when that huge feeling of grief comes to you, where u feel the loss, think a thought that just possibly, someday, somehow, you can contact him.
when we grieve, we are essentially closing down the doors to contact, with that grief itself. So I told you a clue, that you are going to grieve, for as long as it takes, the sorrow becomes bearable over time, yet the sooner you can produce the idea contact is possible, then you build on that possibility, stronger and stronger, you can believe, then you can open the door for your son to make you aware that he is there, and perhaps he is there, more often than you can imagine right now.
there's that love bond to consider. If you love him as much as you say you do, then he is loving you back and trying to reach you too. its a job. I know. god bless you. I wish I could help more.
love, alysia

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Reply #8 - Mar 22^nd, 2008 at 9:40am

Dear Sir,

You are right when you say
"As I read these posts, I get the feeling that somehow I do not have what other people have "---you have grief! You have such a heavy burden that your soul is blocked from 'seeing the light.

We didn't realize this at first as you bravely asked around the core of your question.

Please PM me (button below) with your son's name and date and location of death. First or last name only if youwish but I do better with more info. Then I'll try to find him.
-----Better yet, go over to the retrieval section of this board and ask there for a retrieval of your son. When they say yes, PM each of them with his name etc. (PMing his name keeps it off the web search engines.) Then we each will try to contact him, get a message for you, and move him to a better place, as his grief too could be holding him back.

Have just alittle more patience, sir. And if you can ease your grief so you too will be able to make contact. You have the heart for it, for sure, and the connection.

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Reply #9 - Mar 23^rd, 2008 at 11:17pm

Hello Eaglecrow,

Bruce used to say at one of his workshops "Trust is the first thing". This may sound surprising, as we can't trust everything. Nevertheless, it's true. When something shall become a reality for us, we first have to give a theoretical possibility, or anything, some credit. To trust it. Later we may find that the reality isn't like what we first trusted, but still, the first step is trust. This is how we perceive and make progress, trial and error.

I say this to illustrate something. My suggestion is, to look into yourself if your attempts to make contact with your son are made from the basis of the belief that you are separated from your son. If this is the case, this belief will block any kind of contact and all effort will be fruitless. You have read a lot about the afterlife, so you are familiar with those experiences and ideas. However, I know that from own experience, there may be some sort of knowledge now, but as well distrust, which is fed by the physical separation. This is where something can be used Bruce calls "temporarily suspend of disbelief". It is simply to leave all doubts at the side for now and imagine, actively pretend contacting your son. Usually, this is called "only" phantasy, but here we come back to what I've said first: Trust. Just for now. Nothing to lose.

When you have tried this already, this must sound dumb to you, and in this case I have to apologize. But it's the only thing I can tell you.

Spooky

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