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Gender and the Afterlife
Mar 3rd, 2008 at 5:12pm
 
Greetings,

Recently you may have noticed that all the repeat posters here now are men, except for Juditha and I (and some people aren't too sure about me.  Smiley ) Here's one of the questions that has come to my mind as a result----

In your thoughts, readings, and experiences, have you found any concepts about the Afterlife, or even out of body exploration while on Earth, that are still gender-specific?
That show conditions or expectations that vary based on whether a soul has recently been male or female? 
Let's say just situations that could fit within your current belief system, maybe not the 66-virgins-awaiting-in-Paradise concept.  Smiley

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Reply #1 - Mar 3rd, 2008 at 6:55pm
 
Hi, Bets,

Yes during my nde I retained my gender although no sexual organs. There is a sort of sexual mingling, merging union between male and female aspects that are much more glorious intense and sustained than the poor shadow of pleasure we experience with our physical bodies.

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Reply #2 - Mar 4th, 2008 at 12:41am
 
OK Bets, the guys have been analyzing your gender in PMs.  Is it Gus Betson or is Betson a form of Betty or Betsy?  Speculation and gender-analysis of your posts has been thoroughly mined for clues.  I seem to recall your allusion to a husband once, but hey, we have gay marriage now.  But I've been lobbying for the female identification myself.   Huh

For me, the most interesting example is an apparition of Jesus as a woman to a female orthodox prophet in the 2nd century church.  The Gospel of Matthew identifies Jesus as Wisdom personified.  In Aramaic, Hebrew, and Greek the word for "Wisdom" is feminine.  So if this Christian woman were meditating on Jesus as Wisdom personified, why could'n't Jesus appear to her as a woman?  After all, prior to His incarnation, Jesus was not human at all; Jesus was "the Word" or literally the rational self-expression of God.  Of course, the woman's vision raises the question of whether Jesus appears to people of other cultures or religions as a woman.  Or what about bright unknown female apparitions in NDEs?

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Reply #3 - Mar 4th, 2008 at 3:42am
 
Don come on man!!! Here we go again, Jesus was male aspect, is male aspect and always will be male aspect. No one would recognize him in female form. Of course he could manifest himself as a female but why??
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Reply #4 - Mar 4th, 2008 at 3:44am
 
Don,

far far far off

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Reply #5 - Mar 4th, 2008 at 4:30am
 
Greetings,

Hi Don,

Bets is Betsi or Betsy. (Who's Gus?  Roll Eyes I can't find him on the members list.)
But that was just a lead-in to my topic question. Cheesy
(For any future quandries of that type you might try using this googled source:
"Gender Guesser"---
Type or paste a writing sample for gender analysis. Then click on
"Analyze" to ... Be sure to interpret the results based on the appropriate
writing style. ...
www.hackerfactor.com/GenderGuesser.html "

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OK, if the 2nd century female prophet needed to see ultimate truth in a female form, I can see why Jesus would become so for her.

What else, anyone?  Smiley

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Reply #6 - Mar 4th, 2008 at 9:06pm
 
I'm a female person too!  I don't post every day, but I'm around a fair bit.
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Reply #7 - Mar 5th, 2008 at 11:12am
 
Hi Cricket,

I've always appreciated your posts. Just wish there were more of them.  Smiley
You've got more opinions I'm sure, based on what you've experienced and thought about.
How about a thread on The Equine spirit and the Afterlife?

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Reply #8 - Mar 5th, 2008 at 3:37pm
 
hi
sorry for my limitations......

I do not know if gender is important in the afterlife ...........when there is no fuction for that (reproduction). Sexual Atraction and arousal have been "designed" for reproduction. why this separation with sexs?

Biologically speaking  in the womb initially we do not have gender but we are one with our mother who at the same time has no interest in having sex. The fuction of reproduction has been achieved.

Helpers , angels and other celestial entities  what kind of sex have ? and what is their sexual fuction?do they reproduce. How an angel is created?

for me is the same type of question ,what is the function of both hands  or ears in God? Do God need hands and feet? (looking for functionality)

please, help!
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Reply #9 - Mar 5th, 2008 at 6:01pm
 
Hi T,

My question on this arose from the millions of Hindus who for thousands of years have seen that the principles of attraction, 'magnetism,' polarity, etc are a part of the Divine plan, much more than post-Victorian civilizations do. People  here at this site have such diverse back- grounds in spiritual traditions that I am hoping some related information will show up.  Smiley
Have you ever gone OB and done a soul-meld? If so, you know we're dealing with something pretty amazing here, in itself, not just for reproduction.

Cheesy As for the number of ears etc that God has, maybe that needs a separate topic/ thread!

By the way, You don't seem limited. You speak clearly your ideas, and your humor is an added benefit! I'm working on a world map of home areas for frequent posters--lots of countries and time zones meet here!

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Reply #10 - Mar 5th, 2008 at 6:15pm
 
Betson,

Certainly, I do not have any NDE and OBE experience. This is my first limitation. Perhaps I am anchored in a very earthy biological perception and I cannot see other dimensions but I am open to listen. I am a blind man in this forum . I have to confess that I would love to have an OBE / NDE.

My question is biologically related as the gender, the functionality of the sex, ears, feet. Creature evolve to different environment and develop with different functionalities.

I am trying to understand. Can someone go to focus 27 and ask why we kept the gender but we are not able to use it?

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Reply #11 - Mar 5th, 2008 at 7:09pm
 
tom

God is obviously not a biological entity indeed not an entity at all god is the original ever-existing thought from which all things were created. He is somewhere, and everywhere, someone and everyone, somewhen, somethen, invisible and visible, total energy, super- consciousness.

That’s as close is I can get to describe the infinite with my finite mind

“Nice to interact with you Tom”

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Reply #12 - Mar 6th, 2008 at 3:18pm
 
  I'm not sure exactly what you are asking Bet's?  If our physical based gender in this life, has some kind of influence or effect in our non physical awarenesses and experiences? 

  Don't know specifically.  But speaking generally, i believe the physical is a reflected, projected pattern of both individual and collective tendencies which first originated in Mind.   It seems like with us, with humans and our Souls re: distinct gender came about via imbalance spiritually, particularly in the collective sense. 

  So now we have two, somewhat distinct genders which reflect that inner imbalance.  Does this imbalance carry over into our nonphysical sojourns and experiences, i'm sure to some degree.   Sometimes we are too passive (female principle), when we should be more active (male principle) and other times we are too active, when we should be more passive, but both are always within us. 

  But you can't always go by the body image, i've met some females who were more consistently masculinely polarized and vice versa with some men who were more femininely polarized.   

  One of the common complaints about men that it seems many women have (one among the many  Wink ) is that men often don't listen deep or well enough.    Classic example of this outer Yin-Yang imbalance/polarization thing.   Listening is a more receptive, passive, female principle.   

  Even our respective body parts (the ones that are different), give a clue to the nature of the difference in the expression and states, in an encoded manner.

  Astrology and one's chart is an interesting study in all this, because astrology is largely based on Yin and Yang concepts.  For example, we have 12 signs, 6 of which are said to be predominantly Yin in state, and 6 said to be predominantly Yang in expression.   But when you go deeper into it, you realize that each sign has its own relative degree of balance, and these tend to become more androgynous and balanced as the Zodiac nears the Zenith, or fastest vibrating point which is the Pisces Aquarius cusp area.   Towards the beginning of the Zodiac, Aries tends to be extremely Yang in and of itself, and Taurus extremely Yin in and of itself.   Some say Taurus is actually the true beginning point of the Zodiac and seeing how Source itself was first purely Feminine in nature, it makes me more open to that perspective.   

  Interestingly enough, even physically speaking, our Rising signs and factors connected to same, give clues to the character of the body we chose to incarnate in, both physical attributes and temperament.    For a quick example, i have a Fire Rising sign and not surprisingly, i chose to be born into a rather classically Celtic and rather masculine body, with a passionate temperament by nature.   Quick at times to anger, but also usually just as quick to forgive.   

  Anyways, i've noticed that when people have really late Aquarius Rising, or really early Pisces Rising in their chart, and the chart is accurate from a Soul birth perspective as well as the physical birth time (these don't always match up), then there is often a kind of noticeable and peculiar (when compared to the average) androgynous quality to those people, either physically or character/temperament wise, and/or sometimes both. 

  There is a lot more to it than that, and just the Rising sign, but anyways there is a lot of Yin-Yang type stuff encoded in astrology.   

  My precept is that Source is perfectly balanced and merged between these, and those who are in full resonance to same, that which we could call the Creative forces, are likewise always perfectly balanced between same.   

  Not surprisingly then, there are accounts here and there of more master type guides sometimes taking on a more feminine or male image at different times depending on what the situation calls for.   For example, if it calls for more for sympathy, softness, nurturing, or calling for more relatedness on part of the one being communicated too then a more female image may be projected.   If it calls for more blunt honesty and directness, more for "tough love", or for for trying to impart the attributes of say for example, strength of independence, then a more male image might be projected and used.

  Dunno, probably didn't answer your question very well.   It's hard to say, because individually the balance/imbalance seems to be in a rather constant state of flux though there are definite patterns and tendencies at the same time.
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Reply #13 - Mar 6th, 2008 at 4:03pm
 
Thank you, Justin,

You have understood my question and given me alot to think about.

It seems like astrology emphasizes the balance / merge flow, and that an approach
like the Hindus emphasizes the dynamic of the polarity/ differences--is that what you would conclude too? What culture was it that first developed astrology?

Why do you (or hey, anyone) think that God made humans to be one or the other gender?
Why not make us androgynous like the angels and let us determine which to be?

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