Am half way through a book called 'Bringers of the Dawn' by Barbara Marciniak.

Not to offend, but I should say that having seen snatches of references to stuff about Pleiadians, Sirians and the like over the years that my inclination was to be to say the least sceptical - it seemed out there somewhere with the more radical end of the New Age perspective.

The book is a selection of channelled teachings said to be from the Pleiadians. Never mind that there's all sorts of competing views out there on these guys depending on what source you look at on the web (I did a little reading today) the teachings and the cosmology set out in the book while using very different language seem quite subtle and right on insofar as to what it has to say is required of us in spiritual terms - so far as I've read, and to a semi-detached Buddhist like me anyway.

It of course goes further than Buddhism in terms of naming various Gods and so on affecting our existence (the reptiles pop up again as arch egotists that have lost the connection with light, and are slated as having damaged our DNA to keep us living in suffering so that the earth functions like a farm and they can feed off our emotion  - echoes of Robert Monroe in there) while the creator beings (not God - they are levels below) are hoping with the help of light workers to reverse this very soon.

Dramatic earth changes are predicted. Our DNA is meanwhile being restored by cosmic radiation as a result of the present planetary and stellar alignments to restore ancient knowledge and so that we can  open to accepting the reality that good and evil exist as sides of the same coin.

I guess I'm wondering if anybody has any experience or any insight into the possible basis in reality of any of this stuff? At one level it's pretty wacky, but at another there's this remarkable alignment of prophecy, stories told by spiritual traditions, UFO and extra terrestrial stories surfacing now too.

It's possible that with the  help of the internet and the widespread distribution of books just building myths or castles in the air, with one writer leveraging off another. But what if????

Guess I've a kind of let's have a look attitude to stuff Bets. What I tend to keep an eye out for is a core view that fits with intuition, experience and other teaching. I guess what the bits are called don't matter, that's just happenstance.

When some sort of fit or alignment is there as in this case the next question that surfaces in my mind tends to be is it an independently set down view (in which case it's a corroboration), or a copy or derivative view in which case it's not that significant other than I suppose that if it's communicating a broadly useful view of the way things are then maybe the language doesn't matter so very much.

To be fair to the book the Pleiadians are not positioned as gods, only as a more spiritually advanced humanoid race engaged in their own path that this lady purports to have contacted. It gets quite detailed on the subject of various god like races that have influenced humanity and on the part we have to play, but while interesting I guess I'm hardly likely to do more than note it pending a lot more evidence.

I guess that as above the subscript is really a question: does anybody have a sense that this stuff is credible and has something to it???

One would think if they are so advanced, perhaps they could come up with an easier name to spell!

I've seen from a number of sources that the Earth is the only place in the universe where physical life is found.  That other beings may come here from different non-physical regions represented by our usual C-1 physical references, yet they have to come here if they want the incarnation into physical experience. In that case it is possible that some of them could be any one of us.

Hi R. Thanks for that. I noticed and read a little about some of the tribal connections. Read some distinctly worrying Hopi prophecies too.

Different guys (I think) but a very remote tribe called the Dogon in Africa have all kinds of information on Sirius. Which happened to figure highly in Egyptian systems too.

Seems too that Egyptian, Zoroastrian, Buddhist, Druidic, Celtic and early Christian (if I have it right - probably not) and even central American traditions have links too. This is precisely the point - if you can step back far enough to not be bothered by linguistic or cultural differences there's a lot of signs pointing to the whole lot originating from much earlier teachings back umpteen thousand years before recorded history.

What's interesting too is how the serpent is a recurring symbol. It's today commonly interpreted as representing the devil, but is actually much older, seems to go much further back and to be linked with both kundalini energy and a sense that there is actually a serpent realm or that they are some sort of beings bound up with us too...

Will have to have a little sit, although I'm not very good at accessing direct communication....

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  Hi Vajra, i can more than understand your skepticism regarding info about such E.T.'s and all.  I didn't have much interest at all in such topics, until i started to spontaneously have dreams wherein we were communicating with each other telepathically.   The first dream, i was told or translated basically as this "We are here observing the Changes which you know some about, and trying to help out with them as well."   

  These dreams which i did not consciously seek or ask for, really piqued my interest in all things "E.T.".    Especially after my experience wherein i could have sworn i was fully awake and some rather tall and slender being was in my house and walked right up to me when i was experiencing sleep paralysis. 

  Stuff like this, made me more open to a couple of things my mom once told me regarding her experiences with these, which at the time when she told me, i didn't know what to think of her or the info.  I was rather skeptical though i knew my mom wasn't crazy or overly imbalanced.

   Anyways, i never got any location or name of any C1 reference place in regards to any of these dreams or experiences.   I don't think "they" are as interested in that aspect, as we are.   Just like how some channeled Guides tend not to give their once earthly names (like Rosiland McKnight's guides and Cayce's). 

   These are limiting in their very nature.  These tend to shift us overly to the left brain mode.

  The only time a specific place name or reference came up, was when i went to a sensitive and some kind of connections with Sirius and my Soul history came up.   I don't know what it's about, or how true it is.   I remember her being generally fairly accurate about a lot of other stuff though. 

   But, i believe its quite possible that many our Disks/Souls originally came to the Earth system from some other system, some having a C1 reference and others perhaps completely non physical. 

  So, to me, it doesn't seem a big deal at all.   The way i look at it, all of this E.T. stuff is just neighbors communicating with other neighbors.    Some neighbors are more helpful and friendly, and others not so helpful and friendly.   I prefer to concentrate more on the friendly and helpful ones, while being aware in a more detached manner of the not so friendly and helpful ones.   It's important to not suppress or repress "uncomfortable" info and feelings.  To come up with a solution, you have to be aware of the problem to begin with.   

  Some have physical bodies they are using (though some of these are on a faster vibration than our "physical", more akin to our next, less dense body, the etheric) and others don't use a body based reference at all but they can if they want too.   Some travel here both physically and consciousness wise, and others only consciousness wise, and some are like us, they're not traveling much yet. 

   My wife also has had a lot of dreams regarding E.T.'s, and through our dreams we've come to believe that some of these E.T. groups are going to go public in the near future.   But only when we collectively are ready for it.    There is too much collective fear and superstitious mysticism stuff regarding these.   Too many misconceptions based on book and outer knowledge and not enough knowing based on inner received info. 

  And yes, i do feel and think that dramatic Earth changes may probably be part of our collective experience.    Some sources would prefer people to not be aware of these, or to get false ideas about them, i get the sense of. 

   During both meditation and in more outer seeking, i've consistently come upon a Solar, Cosmic (probably related to the Galactic Center), physical Earth exchange and interaction concept.    When and how exactly this plays out, i don't know.   I see a lot of Fire both metaphorically and literally.   The Sun will be a big factor and something to watch in all of this. 

  I don't know anything specifically about the Pleiades or the Pleaidians from actual experience as far as i know.   I do know there is even a reference to the Pleiades in the Bible, something  like (purely from a long ago memory), "Canst thou bind the sweet influence of the Pleiades". 

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   Yeah, i totally understand what you mean.  A lot of the New Age and channeled type info that i've browsed, strikes me as way too overly right brain for its own good, plus there seems to be a lot of outright cons and really imbalanced folks very active in same. 

  Have you ever read "Cosmic Journey's" by Rosiland McKnight?   There is a bit regarding E.T.'s in there.   Overall, one of the best spiritual type books i have ever read, i think she tuned into some very fast vibrating and helpful sources.   Not fluffy or overly vague at all, and plus she had some verifications in her sessions with Bob Monroe. 

For example, she had 4 main guides she would generally work with.   There was a regular time schedule that they generally adhered too.   One time Rosiland was sick or busy, and so she couldn't come at the scheduled time. 

  That day, there was a D.C. psychologist interested in talking to Monroe and went to his institute to visit him, probably with the hopes of debunking him because she seemed extremely skeptical.    He asked her if she would like to try HemiSync out for herself, got in the CHEC unit and started listening to Hemi-Sync. 

Within minutes, she started to report that 3 beings/Lights were trying to pull her out of her body.   Bob asked her if she wanted that to happen, and she replied no, as they were talking, a 4th being, seemingly the leader of the group, said no it's not her and they left her alone. 

   She was pretty shaken by the whole experience and what was interesting, is that Bob realized that this coincided with Rosiland's usual session time frame and after her brief "session" showed the psychologist the pre recorded schedule and let her listen to some of Rosiland's recorded sessions mentioning her 4 guides and it was the same chec unit that she used.  Bob and Rosiland both later got quite a laugh out of this.

  Yeah, anyways, great book and covers a lot of stuff from Earth changes, to Christ consciousness , the illusionary nature of aging and dying (meaning neither has to happen and if we lived reality and life purely enough, it wouldn't), to E.T.'s, to various consciousness levels within and without the Earth system, and there is even a section devoted to diet and health and its overall affect on a humans ability to attune in a multi-dimensional manner.      


  Course, in the long run, nothing beats or is as deeply affecting as one owns experience and going within.   Happy exploring, believe you can get info and you will if its what's good for you and the collective.   It's not always important or completely constructive for us to know all the details though.     Sometimes the generals are enough and too much specific info can be distracting for a lot of people.

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Where other sites that claim to be Open Minded are really not.

This one is Named 'Open Minds Forum'.

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There are some very interesting people here.  I have developed some good acquaintances here.
People are ALLOWED to share their Experiences, Views, Ideas, etc, without being attacked.
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He is no dummy.  His thread is kinda like a History Class. A very loving and kind man.
I really want to meet him someday and chat....

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Topic: The Bible,UFO's,ET and the Ancients
EDIT: By the way...it is a very  L O N G thread....

Hi Dood,

That's very impressive!! Thank you for the link!
Would you invite Bruce to read it, since it discusses voice contact with a technology that might interest him?

It's fascinating to read the variety of ways people discuss what seems to be the Afterlife experience  that some of us know only from Bruce's terms. "Creosonic portal" must be the same as the 'window' to the afterlife that opens during retrievals, etc. Have you heard it described anywhere else?

If we used Bruce's terms we would say he's in some BST (Belief System Territory)--right?
Nice of him to invite others to join him, eh? Tee-hee!  
  Sweet of him not to want to burden his wife with some of those details ! He's probably already given her much to think about!

I don't know anything about Pleidieans, but I do know a perhaps related incident--The Fossetts are 7th-8th cousins and so I met Steve once when we were about eleven y o. When I met him he had recently read about stock brokering and was talking quite excitedly about the idea, (as an 11-yr-old) that people gave you money and it multiplied and then you the stock-broker got to keep part of it--he thought that was cool! Suddenly he grinned even wider, jumped up and ran into the next room, so I asked his sister why he left.  She said that he'd just started doing that (they had created some goofy name for it) --he would light up almost literally and go stand or sit without moving for some time. When he'd come back he'd be grinning and all excited about some new idea that his family could rarely understand. The parents were getting worried by his behavior but this sister thought it was a hoot !
That could sort of fit with what Steve said about the Pleideans, right?

But since I've gone that far I have to add another part--because of this personal interest, I asked to retrieve or find him and my Guide told me he'd had fatal heart spasms during his original ascent. His plane arced up and over the first mountain range and then came down, but before it crashed Steve continued ascending into the 'window' or as he calls it, the "creosonic portal."  

Thanks Dood.  It brought fun memories!

Love, Bets