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Re: Why are only humans concerned with death and A
Reply #30 - Feb 23rd, 2008 at 1:27am
 
[quote author=Terethian link=1203046354/15#28 date=1203627214]Actually alcohol causes my worries to get worse... I don't drink too often especially since it causes my worry to be amplified. My best friend just got out of jail though so I am probably gonna get drunk with him sometime soon.

Well, I am not giving up on living forever just in case. The interesting thing about "old age" and the decay of the human body over time is that it is due to cells being unable to reproduce more than 50 times. This is because the telomeres which are attached to the cells get shorter every time a cell reproduces. One can try to slow cell reproduction by pumping full of antioxidants but this is not going to stop it from happening. Scientists are even now trying to find a cure to stop and even rejuvenate human cells. In fact, using nano-technology we one group actually has a product that is supposed to do just this! We are talking near immortality.

As long as one does not have an accident or perhaps eats poorly and has a heart attack etc.
Well, there will always be death... yet if you could stop the aging proccess the death rate and life expectancy would SKY ROCKET! This would in fact be very bad for the Earth but I can sympathize with the human need to live as long as possible. I would be willing to never have kids if I could live forever.

Here is the site which talks about cells if anyone is interested. The bottom of the page is the new technology being worked on.
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I'm all for this sort of technology. There's just
a couple of problems...
-Global warming will probably make the planet
uninhabitable within a few decades. Sure it's
great if you're age-proof, but what do you eat
if there's no food because agriculture has collapsed?
-If I were you, I'd get cracking on becoming RICH,
because my guess is, the poor are going to be left
out of the "endless youth revolution" if it does
occur.

Just my $0.02,
B-man
P.S. I'd trade having kids for agelessness, too.
(Count me IN on that one.)
Hmmm... could this be the answer to global
overpopulation then? Give people a choice of
having kids, OR the anti-aging serum (but not
both?
Time may tell..!
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Re: Why are only humans concerned with death and A
Reply #31 - Feb 23rd, 2008 at 11:45am
 
Taking on board FBs and going back to your original post T one view is that grasping after life (or fear of death) is the basic perception that keeps us bound to this reality.

There's a bit of an existential catch 22 question around this. Most traditions would teach that fear of death (or of non-continuity of the individual self) follows from a mistaken view of the nature of our existence (we fail to perceive how linked with and interdependent we are with everything - horizontally in terms of everything in the conventional universe, and vertically in terms of all levels of consciousness from what appears physical existence to God level or unity.

The more fearful we get the more convinced of our 'aloneness' and less able to perceive these realities we become.

The basic problem is that if we seek to duck the issue of death or to unnaturally prolong our existence beyond what fate or karma or God has in mind we risk getting fixated on it, and in our obsession becoming dominated by our fears and doing a lot of harm to others. Not to mention probably shortening our lives as a result of the ensuing behaviours. (drink is not exactly a life extender, nor are the other things we get into to take our mind off the issue, or in an attempt to take from others what we need to survive)

The other issue is that no amount of afterlife exploring is likely to give us very much certainty as to what happens after death. We can surmise, but we can not be certain. Fairly well summarised by Nanner's now defunct tag line: 

A samurai once asked Zen Master Hakuin where he would go after he died. Hakuin answered "How am I supposed to know?"

"How do you know? You're a Zen master!" exclaimed the samurai. "Yes, but not a dead one", Hakuin answered.

I guess two things follow from this. The first is that we're most likely to minimise our fear and suffering by living lightly and groundlessly in the moment - accepting that the nature of life is that we can't know, and so avoiding getting hung up on stuff that can bring suffering to ourselves and others.

If as most of us are we've got a bit hung up on stuff, traditions like Buddhism teach methods based on meditation by which we can release our fears - even those that have grown to the status of the gods or the demons mentioned before in the piece I wrote on the Tibetan Buddhist Chod healing practice.

This kind of stuff sounds wholly unconvincing to a testerone fuelled young person, and for sure is wholly counter intuitive. But it works, I've been there. If you're not already perhaps it would be worth considering getting stuck into some spiritual reading and practice.

Smiley It sounds wacky from the 'outside' so to speak, but meditation is especially effective in reducing the mental intensity that gets us suckered into stuff. The thread on meditation is worth a look.... 



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Re: Why are only humans concerned with death and A
Reply #32 - Feb 26th, 2008 at 2:41pm
 
Vaj:
I am completely fine with death if my consciousness or spirit blah blah blah still lives on and can be pure  energy. That IS acceptable. But I have no way of knowing if that even exists!
...............

Regardless we know that all carbon based life forms on Earth will be born, live, and finally die.

1. Thus one can logically state the obvious fact that we are not meant to live forever.

OR

2. We have not been perfected yet.

Oddly enough Scientists are pretty darn certain as to why we get older and die. Even more interesting is the fact that we are smart enough to stop this from happening. Stop death completely? Perhaps not... especially not yet. But someday? Who knows?

I wonder what kind of an impact there would be on the afterlife if humans start to live hundreds or thousands of years?

Would this in fact call for a major move on God's part?
Would some sort of afterlife force move to thwart mans evil technology?

Or perhaps there is in fact nothing...!
Frankly it all gives me the shivers.... I need to know the truth.

The truth is out there!



P.S. My wife just gave me a coffee mug that has a built in stirrer. It stirs like a mixer. It's so awesome. What will they think of next? (living forever?)
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Re: Why are only humans concerned with death and A
Reply #33 - Feb 26th, 2008 at 4:59pm
 
Right now there's not much you can do about dying T, and we can't be certain as to where we're headed.

But that doesn't mean there aren't ways to live that lead to happiness, or at least radically less suffering than is the case if we willy nilly are led by our baser instincts...
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