Don to extend my thougths on this subject I`d like to bring back these words into this:

Quote:


What I do not understand is this:
Why do sooooooooooooo many people NOT believe in Christ and God for that matter?
Hugs,
Nanner

Exchanging information and holding various theories and experiences up to the light of day becomes less meaningful if the discussion is censored.  Ultra claims that I am in favor of allowing a few to "bully" people and disparage their views.  Rubbish.  I have always chimed in when inappropriate comments fly, both by PM and out in the open on the board. 

Yet we can't walk on eggshells and not engage each other on all topics.  It must be ok, for one to say that my faith of birth (Judaism) seems crazy to them for the following reasons........or for one to say that they personally have issues with Christianity.  While I or anyone else may refute or defend our beliefs, it can be done in a reasonable inoffensive manner.

Don notes a few anti-Christian postings on this site; people who are fed up with religion, many of whom are not knowledgeable about biblical texts and factual information.  Rather than see these comments as a personal affront or attack, it has been more interesting and informative to see Don take the Christian bashers to task, and explode the myths and misunderstandings.

So why take offense on an open message board like this?   If you believe in Sri Chinmoy or any of the disparaged gurus, what does it matter, truly if Recoverer throws out his warning?  One can either engage each other then, and let the truth come out (which it usually does), or ignore the insensitive remark and let it slide to page 2 in a day or so.

Officially, yes many postings may violate site guidelines.  Wah wah.  If we do censor all of them, there will be nothing left of debate,and many will not feel free to share for free of being stricken down.


Matthew

Yes, the "evil genius" is back. Here's a big giant kiss for you, Don!

We're all one big dysfunctional family here, and proud of it!

love, blink

Isn't it funny, but I too think of Don in a good way, and as a spiritual friend, despite our differences or the stinging comments directed against me in another thread.  Dysfunctional family indeed.


M

DocM wrote on Feb 14^th, 2008 at 2:04pm:


...dysfunction.....in the most positive sense of the word, of course.....I've actually quite enjoyed reading each of you lately. It's been...interesting.   

Nanner:

Regarding God, there are numerous teachings that don't speak of God as a being who oversees what he created. Eastern teachings often speak of source being as basically being pure consciousness, and everything else that came afterwards is nothing but a big mistake and delusion, and the sooner it goes away so that only pure consciousness remains, the better. When God/primary source is spoken of in such a way, he is spoken of in a highly impersonal sense. Some people such as myself, believe that the creative aspect of God is a wonderful thing, as long as the beings who make use of it do so in a loving and wise way.

There are new age teachings which suggest that all of us are parts of God, and God is the result of what all of us created. I do believe that we add to what is created, but this doesn't mean that God starts existing in a tangible way, only after we get going with the process of creation.

I look at it this way. If each of us can be aware of and think of everything that exists within us, and a higher self/oversoul/disk can be aware of and think of everything that exists within it, and the planning intelligence Bruce wrote of can do the same, then why can't the being within which "everything" takes place (God), do the same? I find it puzzling that some board members find this possibility difficult to believe, because such board members tend to be supportive of Robert Monroe and Bruce Moen, and both Robert and Bruce wrote of a creator who created everything in a meaningful and purposeful way.

Regarding how people feel about Jesus Christ, I believe that a lot of people have been turned off by fundamentalist ideas, and it is hard to reconcile how Christ fits into the picture when fundamentalist thoughts are intertwined with our way of thinking of him. This was a big road block for me, until I realized that I didn't know one way or the other, asked for an understanding about what Christ is about, and received various experiences and messages that were quite supportive. In fact, I received some messages and had some experiences before I asked, but I was a little slow on the uptake. For example, one time I was involved with a retrievel, and the man I was trying to help forgot all about me when accross a bay the image of Christ appeared, gold light radiated from where Christ was, and the man floated to where Christ was.

I still don't know what Christ is all about, but I don't believe he was a man who expected to be worshipped when he was here. He was way too humble, loving, sensible and giving to be like that. He simply came here to help.  Even though some Christians have done things through out the years that have been negative, there are also many Christians who have done positive things.  I believe that billions of people have avoided going to lower realms after they die, partly because of their Christian faith. I couldn't tell you what Christ's precise role in the World of spirit is, but I know that he has helped me and he has helped others.

Are there other light beings besides Christ? Well, of course. However, I see no need to give such credit when it isn't deserved.


Nanner wrote on Feb 14^th, 2008 at 5:27am:

I must add that I don't get the feeling that the people who participate on this forum are going to get involved with somebody like Osho in a serious way. They'll read what moves them and then move on. I believe they are loving people, and will do quite fine regardless of whether somebody like Osho passes on a false idea or two. As I've said on other posts, each of us will have false beliefs to let go of, when it is time for us to move on to the light.