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Justin aka asltaomr
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Hi Recover et al,
I don't know if i should post this or not, as i don't have any proof whatsoever, but i do want to mention because it seems pertinent to all this, which is not completely as it appears on the surface (i feel that deep down).
You mention the observation that the poster "ultra" seems to mostly only come on here to promote or defend certain Guru's. Well, not to mention a couple of really cynical and belittling remarks as well once in awhile. Like when he told you it was about time you stop recovering and start living life, even though you hadn't said anything to him and he didn't otherwise engage that thread and subject at all.
I have asked the poster ultra if they have ever been on the Bob Marks Astrology forum site, asked this twice on the public board and never got a reply.
I knew a person there on the astro site who promoted the same exact Gurus and teachings, who wrote in a very similar style, very similar tone, similar vocab, and who seemed to have major issues with me as both a poster and person. I'm a pretty observant person and good with seeing details, but also the larger picture at the same time.
Not only that, but what's going on with you and him trying to get you banned, is very similar to what happened with this other person who tried to get me banned from that site. They actively told others and the admin. that i should be banned, in fact this was a repeated mantra till it happened.
When i first joined, this person would needle me about my beliefs, ways of expressing, and ways of being. It got more and more overtly critical, personal, and belittling. At first i tried to keep the interaction impersonal and about the beliefs and concepts at hand, but after awhile i let myself get sucked to his level of personal insults, put downs, etc.
At one point, i stopped responding to this person via the public board. After awhile, i got an unwanted p.m. from this person. I say unwanted, because i never had p.m.'ed them before and since we disagreed on quite a few issues, why would i want to personally communicate with them, why would they even think i would want or like a p.m. from them?
At first, i decided to just say thanks for all the Guru type advice they gave me, was quite a long p.m. filled with all kinds of personal advice in regards to me and my life, you know what i should do and what i shouldn't do. My reply was very brief, cordial, but impersonal and at first i had thought about not responding at all. This person wrote back, saying basically, oh that's it, you have nothing else to say, etc.
It was like they were looking for a reaction, looking to needle me further, to engage me. After this incident, and during a period in my life where i was experiencing a lot of personal challenge on many levels all at once, i started to let myself get re-pulled into this game on the public board again, after this p.m. thing.
This person however was smarter and more manipulative than i was, and after us both getting heat from the admin. on that site for arguing in public, this person started attacking in more psychological, subtle, and manipulative ways, looking to press my buttons without actually saying anything directly to me so they wouldn't get in trouble at all, just plenty of super negative innuendos towards and about me.
Because of my general uncenteredness of the time, it worked rather well, and i let myself get upset at them a few times. For example, i had met up with a person from that site, a friend, a few times in a C1 kind of way. He ended up talking to her via p.m. and tried to convince her that i was a NPD, to stay away from me, and around the same time started a thread about NPD's.
She later told me this, though he apparently thought she would or wanted her to keep this secret. I confronted him and he even denied he did it to begin with.
Anyways, there were a few people there who really disliked me anyways, and with all this drama, which was definitely partly my responsibility, i did end up being kicked out even though many posters, some definitely not my friends in a personal sense, thought it was really messed up and strongly disagreed with it.
Now, what i find interesting is all the similarities that the poster ultra shares with this other poster from this other site, very specific and peculiar similarities. Now, ultra signed up here around the time that i had just promoted Bruce's site over there on the astrology site--shared a link and spoke very positively about this site and Bruce Moen's work and info.
Funny enough, while i never ended posting at the astrology site again, i would check it once in awhile as a reader only. While the person i had had issues with, hadn't been officially kicked off to my knowledge, they completely disappeared from that site. I never saw them post from that time on.
Not long after me being banned, and that poster being kicked off from that site, "ultra" shows up here, though he had originally registered awhile before around the time that i mentioned this forum over there.
I've asked twice already, if they were on the Bob Marks astrology site, and no answer. I'll ask again, did ultra use to post on that site? If so, there is a lot more going on here than meets the eye. Consider that before agreeing to have Albert banned.
Maybe he should focus less on speaking out against sources he believe harmful to others in various ways, but that does not mean he is not a good person or doesn't have basically good intentions. It does not make him an anti social messed up person who is only looking to cause harm and trouble here. He is mild and tame compared to some past posters we have had here you would constantly attack and belittle people in a much more personal sense.
I find it immensely amusing that ultra accuses him of being anti social and implies much more negative issues with him, when ultra in the whole time he has been here has only posted some 35 times or so, and when i checked earlier, their last p.m. was from Nov.
As Albert says, rarely does this person talk about the Afterlife, their experiences, and engage in that sense, but mostly comes on here to promote Shri Auborinado, Sri Chimnoy, and defended Osho, or to say critical and belittling words to Albert and i on a occasion.
This is not even close to being "social", though they may start or end some of their posts with, "forgive me for" or "thank you" in such a political, p.c., and diplomatic way. Ultra certainly does have a silver tongue, for sure.
Until this person directly answers my question, i will assume that they are indeed this other poster i knew from that site, and obviously has some major OCD, obsessive issues. Btw, the poster from the astrology site, was one of the only members who would not openly share his full birth data on a site full of astrologers. Almost everyone else, shared their birth data there. We're talking hundreds of people.
In any case, if Albert is banned, i will gladly leave as well, and i'm sure that will make ultra and a couple others here quite happy. Pesonally, i do not want to be at a place where one cannot speak critically about teachers known to have harmed others repeatedly in various, often time extreme ways.
Osho and Sri Chimnoy very much included. Talk about "disgusting", to me it is disgusting when others try to silence the voices of others who care enough about people to speak up about such things, even though they know ahead of time that others may look at and judge them negatively for not being New Age "loving". Or it is not "loving" to speak critically about the Seth material which denigrates Christ's life and example, and says that he had another fool drugged to take his place.
One can speak critically about a source, without speaking negatively about and towards the person who is promoting it. Albert consistently refrains from the latter, and that is very important in my book and something some here seem to be over looking conveniently. Personally, i believe that every person who sets themselves up as a "teacher" of spiritual truth, and who has been known to harm others, should be exposed and talked about in open. I'm sick of the typical American attitude of let's sweep anything uncomfortable and "negative" under the rug, so we don't have to face our collective and individual shadow sides. Exactly where has this gotten us so far? Got to admit though, we're pretty darn good and practiced at it.
Specifically for us Americans here, we have folks like Bush and his cronies in power, because not enough people used their God given discrimination and became too apathetic to question "authority" in the first place. Because not enough realize what a corrupt system we have to begin with. Same problem with the countless misleading and harmful Guru and teacher types who have arisen. It's an issue of power, and some unscrupulous people looking for power over others and becoming very good in the art of psychological manipulation. Sure, even thes e can "teach us" but by and through suffering and teaching us what we don't want or need. Such suffering, should not be consciously sought or sanctioned, even though it has its place for now.
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