Dear Terathian,

  I believe your election is only valid for your role within your Disk-family! (Whew!  ) For more information on that see topics above, listed at top of page.

From my experience in this type of thing, it has taken 60+ some years to collect the names, experiences and information sources that are now just coming together. Only some of that relates to previous lifetimes.  Recently with the more intense and more frequent experiences i have had since reading our host's books, I can now look into about only three past lives.  Other people develope their understanding alot faster, some from a Near Death Experience, and some from some 'natural ability.' 
With your curiosity and spirit, I would expect that once you put your mind to it, you'll be one of the speedier ones!

It's quite a rush to have a break through in understanding! but whether that compares to oogling a lava lamp, I'm not sure. 

Bets

Trethian

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My profound near death experience lead me to believe we retain our mind or soul gender and humanity in the afterlife, forever.

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I get your point, what you are saying if we do not remember our past life when we reincarnate that individual is dead, this is what i do not like about the concept of reincarnation. There is a belief that during the long cycles of incarnation and reincarnation one deposits each life experience in some larger pool higher consciousness. Like after each lifetime pouring that life memories into an external hard drive until when enlightenment is finally reached. You then to supposedly consolidate all your multiple lives into this one source and finally become the potential higher being. I don’t like this idea, as I believe when we die we progress as spiritual beings upwards toward the divine without returning to earth

Alan

I like this thought. It makes more sense to me especially since technically mediums and others can continue to contact our dead loved ones. It would only make sense to me if many of the loved ones were beyond any contact. (Because they were reincarnated.) But this does not seem to be the case as they seem to remain in contact.

So you are saying that none of them believe in reincarnation?

Also I notice as I read what Bruce has on this site it seems more and more that essentially he is talking about a how-to guide on becoming a medium. Maybe not the same as a person that receives messages naturally without even having to concentrate, but a type of medium nonetheless.

recoverer wrote on Feb 12^th, 2008 at 1:36pm:



  I also believe that an individual "probe" doesn't have to incarnate over and over again.   At the same time, i can't help but notice that Bruce Moen, Bob Monroe, Rosie's guidance, Edgar Cayces, all seem to suggest that on average, many Disks project QUITE a number of individualized aspects into space/time.   

  Moen and Cayce both directly speak on the issue of karma, in the sense of balancing.   In Bruce's Curiosity story, part of the reason of what Curiosity the probe gets stuck in relation to the physical, is because of the "debts" and emotional issues its constantly creating in relation to other Disk selves.   Curiosity innately seems to feel that it needs to correct and balance these out. 

  Different words and terms, and non linear, but basically the same message that the Cayce readings repeat time and time again as well, except that in that case, it was put in a linear perspective.

  Rosie's guidance also talks about the issue of balance, and it being part of the reason for Earth lives. 

  So, its not that we have to incarnate over and over again.   At any point, if WE DECIDE to stop treating others with negativity (meaning in our hearts i.e. our intentions, motivations, deepest core desires, not necessarily the outer actions as casually observed by the unawakened), and Retrieve all our other stuck selves, and dedicate our selves to service, THEN we don't have to live hundreds or thousands of lifetimes in physical.   

   No one is making us do it, it's totally a freewill thing, except that when you put out something, you have to experience its effect.   

   I'm quite sure that there are and have been some Disks who for whatever reason, decided to apply more Will power, kept from getting too addicted to Earth lifetimes/experiences (another motivation and cause of Earth lifetimes for some that Bob Monroe talks about a few times), and holds to love more than not, who don't and haven't had that many in physical lives.

   For example, Cayce's source mentions that the Disk which projected Yeshua only had some 30 lifetimes, which isn't really a lot, when Bob talks of possibly a thousand or so contained within his Disk, and other sources seem to indicate that on average and in general, many Disks who became directly involved with Earth have quite a few overall, though they in the "present" may be only actively working with say 6 to 11 main lives and karma (memories and tendencies) from same.   

  So, when my own guidance and experience (in finding out my own other lives and general patterns), along with 4 other sources i've come to trust more than not, are all saying basically the same thing when you boil it down to the bare essentials and core, yup i would be a stubborn personality indeed not to listen more deeply and consider it as truth. 

But again, its relative, and it doesn't have to be a lot of numbers involved.  It's whatever an individual Soul, and its connecting probes make of it.    For less spiritually mature Disks, sometimes i think they just get addicted to the novelty of Earth lives and experiences for awhile, and they tend to manifest a lot of negative karma to balance later on--i say this believing it is both non linear and linear at the same time.    This tends to lead to a lot of Earth lives for a percentage.

Either way, while an individualized probe may not be attached to the physical after its phases out of same, and thus doesn't want to get back in there, the Greater self that is the Disk, still wants and needs to balance certain things especially if that indivdiual probe generated less PUL than not, in that life.    So at some other point, a more aware and intune probe is created who will take on imbalance issues from its other selves.   

Like with me, one of my selves who is strongly connected to my "present" psyche, really treated his temple like crap even though he knew better and had wiser beings than he teaching him differently.   Hence in my life-- health, diet, exercise, and discipline along these lines has been a major focus and i'm re-balancing what he, my other self, unbalanced.  I've learned to have a lot more discipline and consistency in those areas.  Funny enough, this other self had a huge focus on Pisces in his chart--a sign/pattern well know for concentration on spirituality, psychism, and is a natural mystic type--can represent spiritual or psychic service.   Me, i have a huge focus on the opposite sign Virgo (with my Sun in the 6th house), but with karmic indicators like South Node in Pisces.    Virgo is the sign which deals with health, diet, assimilation, practical C1 service, etc more than any other sign in the Zodiac.   I'm trying to integrate and balance both at the same time, to get a Greater Whole than the sum of the parts (in this case, Pisces and Virgo).

 

  To branch a bit, Monroe also indicates that some who have concentrated more so in other systems different than the ELS, decide to only incarnate a couple of times or so, in the Earth during periods of collectively faster vibratory patterns, when "physical" isn't as "physical" and dense as it is now and has been for awhile from a linear perspective.   

  I guess these essentially "E.T." types, decide to do it in a smarter, more efficient and organized way...  Chances are, they are already probably fairly spiritually developed to begin with, but want to concentrate on emotional energies, patterns, tendencies, which physical Earth is known for, for whatever reason.    Maybe the systems they originally come from, just don't have much emphasis on the feeling and emotional aspect.    A lot of E.T. literature, including some of Bruce's work, suggests that quite a few other groups from other systems, tend to be much mental and logical in nature, though with a more expanded awareness than most humans. 

  Sorry T, i didn't answer your question specifically i know.   I can't because i don't remember, and either way i get the sense that its pretty relative and many experience it differently, and to different degrees.    For me, i'm fairly sure that i will become aware of quite a bit of the rest of my Disk when i die, because i've already started the process Here.

  To add something important.  Btw, i'm not saying that a Disk or probe has to become fully perfected for it to move beyond the Earth, physicality, and this system in general. 

In giving Life readings, Cayce's guidance said in a relatively small percentage of these Readings, an individual was told that if they held to certain principles, ideals, and positive tendencies, they wouldn't need to come back here.    Occasionally, this source was also quick to mention that they hadn't reached full perfection yet, but that there were other realms and systems opening up for them, if they so chose it. 

   This, like most things, happens according to like attracts and begets like principle. 

   Anyways, this particular source also mentions that sometimes a Soul and/or its individual probe has gone to another System, usually to and through the Arcturian, but came back to the Earth system "for a definite purpose", and while its not directly and plainly said, it seems that they want to help Retrieve other humans and have the capacity to act as good teachers/guide types both in physical and nonphysically. 

  That's another reason for continued Earth lives, besides the other ones mentioned, for SERVICE! 

   So yes, we don't need to be perfected and pure PUL like Yeshua in order for us to grow spiritually, or to move into more expanded and less physical oriented systems, but when you get to that point, a lot of Souls seem to choose to dedicate themselves to helping those still stuck in this system, because a lot of intense suffering happens here as compared to many other systems. 

  For myself, i became aware that i (another self/probe) "went" to Arcturus, could have stayed gone, but came back.   How could i not, when so many of my friends/other selves are suffering so much here?   Sure, one can still serve from the nonphysical, and also as an "E.T." type without direct physical Earth incarnations, BUT the best and most effective service is HOLISTIC service and that's the same pattern that Christ itself has chosen.   Both physical and nonphysical at the same time.   

  But some, apparently believe they know better than He.   I follow Him and only Him, the Co-Creator of this Universe and The Guide that all other real Guides look too.

The only reasons that I can come up with for myself are I wanted to play Atari and computers...
or....
Perhaps I wanted to do retrievals. I will try to meditate on this. You know what we are getting at here is essentially figuring out my individual meaning of life - Not a simple undertaking by any means!!!!!

However my thoughts where retrievals are concerned because it seems people that perform retrievals probably most likely will claim that every person close to them or people they know all need to be retrieved.... do they ever claim a person has moved on without any help? Or perhaps has already found help? I mean... it confuses me. I also asked the question... can a consciousness which came back to Earth life so that they could do retrievals then later get stuck themselves when they die? Most likely I would think not but I am sure it would be possible.

It seems that the more I search... the more I think.... the more questions I have.... and far too many possible answers which I am unable to prove.

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EDIT: Remember my above post on the whole afterlife being filled with love? I made a video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbQkDTP_pcI

All You Need Is Love!!!!!!