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Osho and reincarnation (Read 44330 times)
Justin aka asltaomr
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Re: Osho and reincarnation
Reply #75 - Feb 15th, 2008 at 3:58pm
 
  Yes Dave, and i do agree with you.  But as i tried to point out to Kathy on another thread, there are subtle but important differences between emotionally centered judgment and speaking in a critical and discriminating manner from a detached, faster vibrating mental level.  The difference is all in the inner intents and motivations of a person, or as Yeshua would say, "man sees the outer appearance, but God reads the Heart of an individual."   Only those fully attuned to Source can do likewise. 


  The latter is what my "guidance" does with me sometimes, they see my imperfections, how i limit myself, and try to correct that by bringing these to my attention.   At the time, i may not like or want to see these, but often later on i'm grateful for it being brought to my attention. 

  Albert says the same of his guidance.  These do not always speak only fluffy, feel good, and positive messages.   Sometimes they are firm, persistent,  and even gently critical.   But always are they balanced, and if they mention a "negative" they have also spoke on what is positive, and i can feel their inner and underlying love.   I know they just want me to grow, and part of growing oft involves someone or something wiser or more aware than yourself, to speak on certain limiting thoughts, ways of being, etc. and better ways of doing, thinking, being, etc.

  Keep in mind that its the inner intents and motivations which matter more than the outer appearance of an action or words to someone.

There are very, very few people so attuned and balanced themselves, that can always accurately and fully perceive those inner intents and motivations in others from the outer appearances, particularly when we are talking about a person typing words on a forum.   

   A gruff manner and typing of words, does not always mean ill intentions and vice versa, a considerate, sensitive, and p.c. manner and typing of words does not always mean the inner is positive and loving.   There are those who speak kindly and positively more because they care what others think of self, a definite social awareness and need to be liked or accepted.

  I would refer you to my Teacher's example.  He did not believe any person was "worthless", but at times he spoke quite strongly and critically about other peoples certain beliefs, ways of teaching or being, and teachers of his times.  He knew he was more aware, intune, and correct than these.

If speaking critically towards or about others is only destructive and ego motivated, why would he speak critically, if he was one of, if not the most, PUL centered and attuned to Source public Teacher ever to publicly teach?
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Justin aka asltaomr
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Re: Osho and reincarnation
Reply #76 - Feb 15th, 2008 at 4:59pm
 
  Thanks for the deeper explanation Alysia.   

My understanding of people is that we are kind of like ice bergs, most of us that is, theres a certain amount above the surface but usually a lot more deep below the water and much, much harder to see (especially when looking at ourselves).  That doesn't make the below surface stuff all "bad", some is related to other life influences, etc.  But it does make the seeking of ever greater consciousnesses of the unconsciousness, a good thing.

  In our interactions with others, rarely are we only coming purely from the above surface stuff, the part that is conscious.  It's possible to become fully conscious of all of the ice berg, and thus the difference between below and above surface melts away, but it seems to be a rare human indeed who has done that.  Such folks are like the guy you call JC. 

  I wouldn't hold it against you, even if you were coming from that space unconsciously.   


  Truth is, our interactions with each other, more often than not, come from a mix of both conscious and unconscious, and these can be different and even quite contradictory in intent and motivation.   We consciously may think, believe and perceive we are coming from a positive space or we may want to, but unconsciously we may be seeking to sow the seeds of discord.   

  Self is the hardest book to fully and accurately read...  Probably why so many spiritual traditions seemed to have a similar motto of and emphasis on "know thyself".    I will try to concentrate on your conscious and positive motivation, and more so i have appreciation and gratitude for it.   After all, isn't it mostly in the try anyways where we grow?

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Re: Osho and reincarnation
Reply #77 - Feb 15th, 2008 at 6:42pm
 
I'm leaving soon. I know I've said that before, or at the least I'm slacking off here Justin. part of my motive was to be saying goodbye to you, with the post u couldn't tell what I was saying..so much misperceptions go on, on a forum where we can't utilize our tone of voice, our body mannerisms also, it's just a computer and the internet. so it seems we just assume certain things about others, maybe find out later, we just made assumptions.

so its not really a good mode of communication, but the internet does however, make worldwide communication more instantaneous so I can offer a positive there.

with that I took my subconscious into the conscious as best I can so we don't unnessarily sow those seeds of discord;  Smiley take care dearlite, although this may just be a vacation goodbye.
friends are important, even when they disagree, and I consider you a friend even though we've had some disagreements, they were not something to hold onto, not for me, I hope not for you. now, certainly its difficult to stay on topic these days and that is part of the reason I venture off somewhere else.

and thank you for all those posts you gave us, in case I don't get to say another goodbye.
and thank you Edgar Cayce!! and for the related topics of him you gave us. Smiley
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Reply #78 - Feb 15th, 2008 at 8:01pm
 
Alysia - I think that it was Sai Baba who suggested that spiritual awareness was the boat in which to cross the river of unknowing - And then, we have to get out of the boat. - A few on this forum seem to be playing boatmen, and a few are passengers. - To me, you have always seemed to be more the boatman type - or boat-person, if you prefer - and if there are other rivers to span, go for it! I've enjoyed your presence.

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