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Feb 6th, 2008 at 3:10am
 
Dear forum members,

What I am now going to describe is very weird but it is a lucid OBE that I have had that I simply have no explanation . I went to another dimention or universe where time was reversing and everything and everyone was moving backwards in time. Now you have heard the phraze, "In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king"

In this bizarra alternate reality I who could move both back and forward appeared to be king and I could easlily reveal or hide myself there. Take this case I saw a man who was moving backward from his desk "after" work at 5 pm. back to the morning when he left for work at 9 am. He reversed to the elevator and while it was moving upwards to his level in the building and watching him he appeared to syncronize exactly with its reaching his floor oponed and without looking reversed into the elevator. Weird not really! if you play the senario forward. As the elevator reached his floor it opened and he got out and went to his desk>

Now to make myself aware of my presence to him I walked in front of him as he reversed from evening to morning. He was startled by this being that suddely appeared in front of him walking  backwards in sync. no matter how hard to tried to get rid of this apparation. Another time I got behind him as he was reversing and stopped him moving backwards in time, by placing my hands firmely on his back. So what did he experience when he was moving forward in time? Suddenly he was stopped from some sort of a glue or force feeling a  weird sense that there was another entity behind him that he could not identify. I think the hairs on his neck stood up straight dont you?, I could really have fun here I was the fantom of the opera here.

Has dear Alan now at last really gone and lost it. Maybe , you more informed OBE guys judge and comment or just lol. it ok with me

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Reply #1 - Feb 6th, 2008 at 5:23am
 
Wow Alan, that must have been, well..lets say "very interesting to be a part of". I probably wont be of much help to you in this one, but immediately when I read the words: "In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king"... "I who could move both back and forward appeared to be king".. I instantly had sort of a vision of a "chess game" with you being the king figure in it...lol..

As far as the fella goes, whom you politely stopped from movement, I am sure that you startled him and he now is going into his own internet and looking for answers to that perspective which he had gotten.

But Alan rest assured hon, you`ve not "lost it anymore than you ever had before" - okay sweetie, you`re merely expanding in consciousness - thats all.

May I ask "how you felt during this OBE"? Comfortable, out of place, frightend or maybe even happy?

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Reply #2 - Feb 6th, 2008 at 5:27am
 
Hi Alan. I have found similar voyages to yours in Monroe's books as well Bruce's.

I see behind, to your feelings of enjoyment of this journey as well a bit of astonished awareness which I relate to, in the way that I discovered my precognition dreams would relate to me a future event to take place personally. when this happens, the mind is receiving some clues to the nature of our spiritual universe and it often entails a belief system crash which can be severe in some cases, or as gentle as a summer rain if we don't fight it too much.

in my case, I chose to swing off into the excitement of it all, necessitating a reversal to a leveling off within my spirit to less excitable nature, to a more investigative calm that whatever was on my plate, it was for me to explore and be thankful for it, rather than that OH GOD! THIS IS AWESOME! type of mindframe which had me crashing in fear.

just some personal reflections. from looking at your spectacular journey, I believe I've had at least one somewhat similar, but as I said Monroe comes to mind here.
He paid a visit to a future self, looked upon his own self in another time frame, of which his own future self was indeed aware of his presence.

thats where the similarity of your experience to his ends.  so my first instinct is to say this other fellow was either:
1) a member of your disc (soul group)
2) an aspect of your self with it's own individuality, in another time frame, a sideral dimension to our current time frame.
3) a future or past self still existing
4) your experience could be considered as a self retrieval occurring spontaneously without having read of what a retrieval actually is here on this board.

Retrievals, in one regard, are an integration process of your total being during this time in history when we shift our attention away from preconceived and collective reality jailhouses.

the nature of time and space, time and place are being scrutinized by your inner psyche to determine what reality really is, and whether linear time and events are the whole of it, or just a reality construct we adhere to temporarily to attain experience of the probing spirit.

yes, well, you heard that the past, present and future are simultaneously happening?
good luck in trying to get that point across! lol. well, you are showing yourself that in the spiritual domains, this is a fact.

you are helping this man, and having a good time with it, getting him unstuck from his forward and backwards movement in time. you are waking him up to get out of his routine. you and I know it's so easy to establish routines and habits here in C1.
so this is why I say this is a retrieval. and you're not finished with him either. sometimes a retrieval is an ongoing process until the other person is elevated. what you do to help another is really helping yourself.

Welcome to retrieval business Alan! I'm sure we will have many points of view on this, but all of them come together sooner or later to point to our pathways of gaining enlightenment. thanks for posting this, its rather one of the best experiences I've seen posted here in quite some time.
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Reply #3 - Feb 6th, 2008 at 8:51am
 
I wonder if this sort of "interference" with the "past" of a living person is allowed, seeing as it wouldn't necessarily change the course of the universe, but its advantage might be to convey information. Could you do anything you wanted to do, or was your effect limited in any way? Can you go back there?

Maybe this was a spirit who was caught in some kind of weird loop out in la la land.

It's interesting to me that there were no other people in the experience? Or, were there? Did you see any signs of anyone else there?

It sure seems like it could have been a kind of retrieval.

Very interesting, Alan.

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Reply #4 - Feb 6th, 2008 at 9:27am
 
Thanks for the responsei thought you guys were giong to say I had simply consumed too much cheese.



Blink,
There where thousands and they were all reversing in time walking backward in some large modern city. So I concentrated on this one particulrar person. Nanna asked how I felt, yes I had some fun by appearing and vanishing from the view of this confused person, but on waking I felt somewhat disturbed, was this normal to feel this way?

LaffingRain

You know it could be me, or another me from a parallel reality of some sort. I worked in a similar office for years. But what would my present self acheive by interfering with a previous me?.

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thats where the similarity of your experience to his ends. so my first instinct is to say this other fellow was either:
1) a member of your disc (soul group)
2) an aspect of your self with it's own individuality, in another time frame, a sideral dimension to our current time frame.
3) a future or past self still existing
4) your experience could be considered as a self retrieval occurring spontaneously without having read of what a retrieval actually is here on this board


I had no idea that this could be a retreivel as I am not familiar in that field and if this was an opening to that are I would like to learn more about it!

Thank you Guys for not lol.
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Reply #5 - Feb 6th, 2008 at 3:28pm
 
I would never laugh at you or anyone Alan. if u could see inside my head, you'd understand why I accept you. as a matter of fact I keep waiting for the paddy wagon to show up but I guess I'm lucky..no sign of them yet.

now that I think about it, I recall in one of Bruce's books he took a trip out there and saw birds flying backwards, then they went forward, then repeated the sequence, just like the man in the office. never could quite figure this out until your post.

then I recall also a retrieval I did and I'm thinking the gal was me. it was in the holocaust era and she looped back and forth on her way to work. a bullet caught her by surprise. she continued on her way to work, stuck in time until I whispered to her to go to the light, some guides were waiting for her. I convinced her to turn the corner this time.
she thought I was her intuition and I suppose I was.
fact is, whoever she is, she don't get shot over and over again no more.
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was thinking on the state of consciousness of the man in the office. does anyone know what it's like to be in a 9 to 5 routine and be hating that?

I do. it's like you're just existing. stuck in a dead end job, needing to make a buck and not feeling free to move onto another job that you might like better because of having to pay rent. Naturally, something good inside you Alan would want to help this man move out of that stuck place, whether he's an aspect of yourself or some stranger.
its human nature to want to help others.
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Reply #6 - Feb 6th, 2008 at 8:19pm
 
Greetings,

Would it be OK with you, Alan, if this were a lucid dream rather than an exploration, and the whole 'plot' was a metaphor for you at your work?

I'm thinking that maybe the backwards  movement has the same cause as when we 'see' the sun dance or move backwards--it's a reminder that this world and the dimension of time is not real and is being staged with props etc.
That you were king and could manuever the backwards guy/ perhaps yourself would be an empowerment issue, showing you that you are driving yourself, that you have the power to move others around.

Where can I get some of that cheese?  Cheesy

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Reply #7 - Feb 6th, 2008 at 10:54pm
 
Bets said: it's a reminder that this world and the dimension of time is not real and is being staged with props etc.

I agree Bets. time is an illusion that we gave ourselves because we were created with free will to explore and probe this world. while timelessness is on the other side of things.
my opinion.  Smiley even belief systems can be like props.

the way that Alan felt like a king is self empowerment. I agree on that too, and I don't see it in a negative sense because he's obviously tapping into his greater being and this causes the feelings being a co-creator with the universe, rather then all the doubts we can entertain about everything and anything here regarding growing into truth of our beings.

I've known the feeling of coming into some great truth, personal and universal at the same time and it's not self grandeur and it's not something one can brush off as an ego trip as Alan may have feared that we would not understand or misinterpret him.
I still have that little fear of being misinterpreted too Alan, but don't worry, just keep growing in patience and the pen will follow you.
An obe occurred for me when I was at a crossroads in life. late 60's. it seemed like then higher self was involved to let me know I could do what I had to do because I had the choice to do it, and I had felt stuck between a rock and a hard place.
I do tend to see the people I meet as real people out there, while sometimes I can determine if they are also props, there comes a stage of dream/and/or obe when these people become real characters and talk back in all sorts of surprising ways to show they are real.
It's up to Alan if he thinks his guy is real or not though. he alone can decide that, so sorry if I confuse you Alan. its really hard for people to believe that these other dimensions and planes are "places" peopled by life forms, but if you think about it we are all going to end up traveling through these planes at the final moments of transition, so it's all right to consider that they are indeed a "place." therefore real and we keep in touch with these dimensions while sleeping at night. the alternative is to be a complete atheist and therefore need retrieval from stuckness in a thought pattern/behavior by an act of PUL.

I struggled a great deal with the reality of dreamland and obe trips. when I finally gave up struggling with what was happening to me and just decided to develop the observer to watch for me, weigh and access the experiences, was when I knew for certain we on Earth are making up the whole show as we go along by free will.
On the other hand tuning into the higher self, that of us that remains connected to God shows me there is a plan, there is intentional journies, there is divine order, there is destination.
I would conjecture Alan was surfing a BST. belief system territory. thats where retrievals are said to be found. focus levels 23 through 26 I believe.


being outside the body gave me the freedom feeling that I could do a hard task set before me simply because it made me feel stronger, not stuck in a pattern of behavior. the universe turned magical at that moment and filled with beauty unknown., though at the time, there was a humbling element to the obe, like a child of the universe was walking all alone on sand, but protected and guided.
awesome journey.  Alan's is awesome too! thanks Alan.
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Reply #8 - Feb 7th, 2008 at 12:47am
 
LaFFingRain Dear,

This guy was a real person and I could see he was confused even frightened by the apparation I had become in his reality. The interaction between these two time dimensions, when I come to think about, it were so complex one would need an Einstein to explane what was really going on.

For instance I noticed he could see me at times and tried to rush at me and touch me. All I did from his perpective was reciede. As his attempt of rushing toward me increased  the variance of the two alternate time dimensions just increased He just moved faster backwrd from me, and the harder he tried to touch me the more I recieded. "Weird" very "Weird" He was from his perpective moving forward in time and I was reversing time somehowe and following him back from 5 pm to 9 am when he left work. It is really really hard to explane and confusing and convoluted.

I mentioned this OBE because I felt it was so weird and unusual and because I had had the same type of OBE in that dimesion three times.

I have these lucid dreams nearly every night and can at times read words clearly from future news papers etc. Last night for example I saw two words 'EANEA" and "NUNNU" "NUNNU". I googled these words today and they are both on the net, but I cant yet make any connection yet I seem to e becoming much more adebt since joining the forum
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Reply #9 - Feb 7th, 2008 at 1:17am
 
glad to hear that since joining the forum these things increase...same here. all I can say is please keep us apprised of things, as I'm deeply interested.  Smiley
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Reply #10 - Feb 7th, 2008 at 3:12pm
 
Anyone here acquainted with the out of body traveler Ophiel from back in the 1960s? He was one that i remember taught that there were an unknown number of reverse planes which encircle our planet. I've also read this in some of the eastern OOB teachings. Although hazy in my mind, it is taught that these planes are of reverse polarity, so that I could be walking along an astral road and suddenly seem to be walking backward to where I began. If I reverse my walk and head back, I can get caught in a sort of confusing loop, wondering which is the proper direction. The correct move, apparently, is to stick to the our original direction and just keep walking. Shortly, we'll emerge from these reverse planes.

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Reply #11 - Feb 7th, 2008 at 4:10pm
 
Ennea and Nunnu sound like Sumerian names - they're just on the tip of my tongue ... Innanu is one variation that come to mind. Ennea = "9" in Greek - but there's something more ancient that still seems to be wanted.

Past and future seem interchangeable until some event fixes their direction. Sounds like QM. Maybe your subconscious has a warped sense of humor. Still - there was a distinct message if it can be got.

On the other hand, maybe you're the only one going forward in a backwards universe!  Wink

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Reply #12 - Feb 9th, 2008 at 4:15pm
 
Hi chuck, no Im not acquinted with Ophiel, however there is a somewhat common feature of the obe to reverse objects in a room. a door that is usually on the left will sometimes end up in the astral on the right. when in the obe body, a person will stop to consider why the door is not where it's supposed to be...then this causes a more lucid moment to occur and most obers suddenly realize they are obe at that point and just either use the door or walk thru the wall.
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