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The fear of physical death
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Overcoming the Fear of Death

To help ease the minds of the countless people who worry about death and dying, or the death of a loved one, a few things need to be explained.

First off, death is not the tragedy that everybody thinks it is. It's simply another part of life. It's just a transition from one place to another; from this physical world, to a non-physical world. Physical death is meaningless, it's arbitrary, it's a joke, it's irrelevant. The physical body is nothing but a temporary vehicle or tool that Consciousness/Awareness/Spirit uses to temporarily experience this physical world. The key word there is "temporarily". Billions and billions of physical bodies have died in the past, and billions more will die in the future. One way, or another, sooner, or later, everybody and everything dies. It's not a big deal. That's just the way this physical world is. It is a world of change and evolution. Nobody can avoid physical death. Nobody. When it's time to leave this physical world, it's time to leave. Do you know of anybody that hasn't died, or that won't die? Then what's the point of getting all upset about it?

We see our mother, father, or some other loved one dying, but the physical body you are worried about dying isn't even your "mother" unless you have the limited perception that the physical body is what she is. You are not the body, and neither is she. You are IN the body, but you are not the body. If you can watch the mind and its thinkingness, then you aren't the mind and its thinkingness. You aren't the experiencer, you are the silent observer. Spirit/Consciousness/Awareness doesn't have a sex; it's not male or female. It doesn't even have a shape. It's non-physical, it's formless, it's timeless, it's eternal, it's infinite. The soul is eternal. In other words, it is never born, and it never dies. It is a timeless foreverness. It cannot be harmed or threatened in any way whatsoever, so worrying about death is a complete waste of time and energy.

"You speak sincerely, but your sorrow has no cause. The wise grieve neither for the living nor for the dead." - Bhagavad Gita 2:11

So yes, sometimes the body suffers, but it really doesn't matter because that's not what we are. We only think and believe the body is "me" because we're unaware of the truth, and we're unaware of the truth because we continue to identify the body and mind as being "me" instead of simply observing and being aware of them. But now that you are aware of the truth, there shouldn't be anything to worry about. The body you see suffering is just that; a body. That's all, nothing more. That body is not your "mother" or "father" because you are not your body either. The real you was never born and it can never die. Never.

"You were never born; you will never die. You have never changed; you can never change. Unborn, eternal, immutable, immemorial, you do not die when the body dies." - Bhagavad Gita 2:20

"Nothing real can be threatened. Nothing unreal exists." - A Course in Miracles

"The real does not die, the unreal never existed." - Nisargadatta Maharaj

According to the incredibly accurate muscle testing (kinesiology) for determining truth from falsehood done by Dr. David Hawkins, the exact time of physical death is already pre-determined at the time of one's physical birth. The exact moment is pre-determined but the means by which is not. If one doesn't look after their health, then it will probably happen by malnutrition and degenerative disease. If one has serious negative karma from this life or a past one, then it will probably happen in some other "negative" manner. If one lives selflessly for the sake of others, then one might die for the sake of others. So the big question is what if you have another 20 years to go? Are those 20 years going to be spent in a state of suffering due to malnutrition and emotional stress, or is it going to be spent in a state of inner peace and well-being?

You simply live your life to the best of your individual ability, for the sake of others, every single day, and then there are no regrets, and there is no reason to fear death. When one lives a life of meaningful purpose for the sake of others every single day, one wouldn't even care if they died the very next day because there would be nothing to regret. When your physical time comes to an end, your time comes to an end. That's not your decision. That's the decision of God/Love/Universe. Nobody gets to decide when the physical body dies so there is no sense worrying about it.

Now this may bring to mind the topic of suicide. Well, to forcefully interfere with the play of life like that just carries heavy karmic consequences. To think you can simply end your karma just like that by purposefully bringing about physical death is another limited perception. Karma does not, and never will, end this way. One will simply be born into yet another physical body, but now one has the automatic karmic effects of that suicide that has to play out. The only way out of personal karma is surrendering personal will (including thinking and thoughts) to that of Love/Selflessness/God/Nature/Universe/Buddha/Self. This is what we call "non-volitional living" and going with the flow.

One physical life is just a continuation of where one left off in the last physical life. What you see in the mirror is your karma. Everybody is born into the exact physical body and life circumstances that suit their individual karma perfectly. There are no accidents, co-incidences, random events, luck, or chaos in the universe. Absolutely every tiny little detail that's happening is karma, whether it's individually or collectively in a group of people. It's all karma, all the time, and there are never exceptions.

"As the same person inhabits the body through childhood, youth, and old age, so too at the time of death he attains another body. The wise are not deluded by these changes." - Bhagavad Gita 2:13


"I really like the Hindu thinking about physical death"

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Reply #1 - Feb 3rd, 2008 at 11:20pm
 
Hello Forum,

No one on the forum seems to be afraid of death or even interested in this bane and ultimate blight of life. I am amazed, really really amazed.

Come on someone if a robber put a gun at your headand said he was going to send you into the glorious aferlife, would you beg for life or embrace death?

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Reply #2 - Feb 4th, 2008 at 1:05am
 
Thats why i was not going to answer,because I know we dont die.been there,but im surprised that the new comers are not answering this.George
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Reply #3 - Feb 8th, 2008 at 3:26am
 
*BUMP* I'm a NOOB and I fear death. Nothing you say will make me stop fearing death except proof from a medium that the afterlife exists which is something I am working on.

Let's just say for matter of my next bit here that there is NO life after death.
Then we will logically and scientifically as humans deduce that something must be done to stop death from occurring.

It's funny when you think about it. LIFE and DEATH should be the most researched thing in existence... Yet I do not think the human race as a whole has really delved into either field enough.

But if your a man with erection problems we DO have a pill for that! Oh and don't think that happened overnight. Oh no... They devoted tons of manpower on THAT issue! What's that? The cure for cancer? Pfft throw it on the pile it doesn't do anything for the *enis!!! (Edited)

Gotta be careful though, I took a viagra once but It got caught in my throat and I had a stiff neck for hours!!!!

But seriously folks....
     The bottom line is human technology is actually rather amazing with some rather amazing leaps. If we devoted more energy in human life and death research I think you would find human beings living even longer and being more integrated with mechanical parts than ever. In fact I wouldn't be surprised to see an arterial pump hooked up to a human head keeping the human head alive without the rest of the body!!! This has already been DONE!!! I am not happy about this but Russians have taken a dog head and kept it alive using an arterial pump. Of course being a head in a jar has many disadvantages so even though I think 50 years of solid research could refine this proccess to perfection I would rather see research on stopping the aging proccess.

Through science we may one day find a way to completely stop the aging proccess entirely or almost entirely. Unfortunately we would be forced to regulate reproduction at this point to stop overpopulation, but it could happen. Who am I to say it is an impossibility?

If there is no afterlife and we accept our own death we are already dead.

I do not accept death. I shall claw at life. I will kill life to live. Die life!!! die!!! I will live!!!!!!


- All insanities and jokes aside I think my outlook is a logical one.
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Reply #4 - Feb 8th, 2008 at 7:56am
 
Terathian,

Hi, I see you have an incisive mind and have given a good response. Regardless of whether we have had a wonderful nde or glorious OBE if the crunch comes and he are faced with some unnatural death we will,begging and weep for mercy just to live a few more second in this material plane. So my point of this post to which only two responded is that our earthly life is very important has eternal meaning and the reason for it is not just to die, pop off into another heavily existence or be reincarnated.
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Reply #5 - Feb 8th, 2008 at 8:40am
 
Well, I too fear death on a daily basis. All my efforts to try and uncover any sign of an afterlife has been futile. That said, some efforts is in the future, like ordering that Bruce Moen CD-set. Still, attempts at meditation, prayer, talking to spirit guides, astral travel, etc etc.....it's like trying to fly by flapping your arms. No response. Nothing. Is it a wonder I fear the afterlife too is a big nothing?
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Reply #6 - Feb 8th, 2008 at 1:12pm
 
Fears are fears are fears....they are no different from each other. Each fear is like an old friend to us, and we greet it and embrace it with our fragile hearts. This friend clings to us, holds us too tightly, and we are repulsed.

One day, we let it go.

We say, goodbye friend, we knew you well. Goodbye, friend.

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Reply #7 - Feb 8th, 2008 at 1:30pm
 
Crazy I say! Crazy! There are these people in a certain part of the world yet I cannot recall which where many of the population live 100+ years. One of the old women stated "I am tired of this life" (She sits in a chair and knits or something cause that's all she can do.)

Pffft! I'll be 100+ farting around in a computer chair wearing diapers playing the latest MMORPG. I gotta get to level XX before I die!!!!! I gotta get that new piece of Armour before I die!! You won't hear "I'm tired of this life" coming from my lips suckas! In fact I'll probably like the diapers part but let's not get into that can of worms!!

Also, the reason I mention mediums all the time is because I am a firm and strict believer that I cannot accomplish anything in a contacting the supernatural sense. I have a very open mind which loves science fiction and magic and wants to believe but at the same time I simply cannot believe in closing my eyes and listening to the other voice. Sure I have heard another voice in my head. It's a strange thing because it always is like a reply to my own thoughts. But when it comes right down to it, I know it is just my own thoughts. Behold the power of imagination!!!

(EDIT to add the following thoughts I had:)

Many times I wish I thought of death more like my cat or dog. The dog/cat lives in the moment. They do now know of this dark shadow looming over us. They do not fear death and they show NO signs of the knowledge that death will ever come some day.

This is by far one of the most amazing things about human life. Let's face it....we stand out like a sore thumb on this planet. We've done so much crap and evolved in so many ways and thought processes it is simply astonishing. Cheers humans! Heres to you!
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Reply #8 - Feb 8th, 2008 at 4:49pm
 
I see Terethian,

"Do not go gently into that good night."  "Rage! Rage against the dying of the light!"  I understand - we all do to some extent.  I thought about the same issues you brought up, and for me, it came down to an exploration of human consciousness.  Consciousness is either a random accident of nature caused by neurochemical reactions, or there is something much much more going on in each of us.  It is a difficult topic to consider - sort of a chicken and egg item to ponder - for Descartes, he ended up with cogito ergo sum (I think therefore I am).  What helps sometimes, is to realize that the solid physical world with its absolute laws is not so solid and not so absolute.  That our science is a based on our hypothetical mental constructs and the scientific method a good way to describe and discern general reproducible events in our world, but not by any means a be all and end all description of the hows and whys our questions ask.

The more we probe into the science of consciousness, and even the basic sciences themselves, the less definite our "solid" universe becomes.  Heisenberg's uncertainty principle....one electron being in two places at once; quantum effects, or as many here and many scientists now notice the absolute effect of an observer and the expectations of the observer on the outcome of any experiement.  You have to then consider whether consciousness is a primary condition, and independent from the physical world - and it is here that you open up to the possibility that there is an afterlife simply because we are not just our physical bodies. 

I often mention the P.E.A.R. labs from Prniceton University which studied the effect of human observers on random number generating machines.  Human intent measurably changed the outcome of random coin tosses so speak, in a tiny but statistically significant way.  The experiments were set up to be unassailable for fraud or any physical or electromagnetic common interference.  But lo and behold, even random number generating machines were, to a fractional extent influenced by human consciousness.  This was published by Princeton's team in peer reviewed scientific journals (as opposed to being mere heresay).

In the end, one has to decide whether consciousness is primary and real or not.  I've seen enough evidence and believe now strongly in the persistence of consciousness after physical death.  It is the only way that everything seems to fit together; a conscious universe, and consciousness creating and penetrating into what we call the physical world.


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Reply #9 - Feb 8th, 2008 at 5:01pm
 
Matthew,

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Your Quote

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The more we probe into the science of consciousness, and even the basic sciences themselves, the less definite our "solid" universe becomes.  Heisenberg's uncertainty principle....one electron being in two places at once; quantum effects, or as many here and many scientists now notice the absolute effect of an observer and the expectations of the observer on the outcome of any experiement.  You have to then consider whether consciousness is a primary condition, and independent from the physical world - and it is here that you open up to the possibility that there is an afterlife simply because we are not just our physical bodies


I have long contemplated about what we are in the absolute fundamental. The conclusion I came to after a life time ofsearchng is "WE ARE A THOUGHT IN THE MIND Of GOD" A beautiful thought I hope
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Reply #10 - Feb 9th, 2008 at 7:16am
 
Alan McDougall wrote on Feb 3rd, 2008 at 11:20pm:
Hello Forum,

No one on the forum seems to be afraid of death or even interested in this bane and ultimate blight of life. I am amazed, really really amazed.

Come on someone if a robber put a gun at your headand said he was going to send you into the glorious aferlife, would you beg for life or embrace death?

alan


Alan, in answer to your posting I believe there are many here who are NOT afraid of death, per se, but ARE afraid of the WAY they die. This certainly applies to me.
There is a vast difference between the two and, of course, if a robber put a gun to my head I would beg for my life. We all have that inbuilt instinct for survival.
However, if I were on my deathbed an knew I was going to die that would hold no fear in my mind and I would probably welcome it.

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Reply #11 - Feb 9th, 2008 at 10:35am
 
Hi Roger,

You are right what most of us fear is the process of dying not death itself I meant the fear of death while still healthy and the unknown realms after t with the awful reality of  destruction of self.

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Cool

Hi Another take of the uncertanty about death.
     
The Uncertainty of Life or Death--Theories about the Future of the Universe
     
How will it end?
     Asking for an ending without knowing the beginning may seem queer, but this is indeed the case in the field of cosmology. Although much controversy still surrounds the beginning of the Universe, man has already embarked on the search for its end. Discontented with living in uncertainty, man has embarked on the search for the ultimate fate of the world, hoping to catch a glimpse of what future holds in store for him and his successors. Through the years, many hypotheses regarding the fate of the Universe have been formulated. In this essay, a few of the more popular theories will be highlighted to introduce the reader to the possible futures that lie ahead for our Universe.
     
The term "Heat Death" was conjured in the 1860s to describe the doomed fate of the Universe as the world tends towards thermal equilibrium. Without prior knowledge of whether the Universe was static or dynamic, this prediction of the end of the Universe made by Hermann von Helmholtz was purely based on the physical laws of thermodynamics.

     The laws of thermodynamics can be briefly summarised by Rudolf Clausius's statement "Die Energie der Welt bleibt konstant; die Entropie strebt einem Maximum zu." Translated, it states that the energy of the world remains constant (first law); the entropy strives to a maximum (second law). Simply put, the second law of thermodynamics means that the total entropy for a thermally closed system cannot be less than zero. 

     This statement then implies that the total entropy for the thermally closed Universe would always increase until it reached a maximum value, where the world would be in a state of total disorder. Eventually, the Universe would be of uniform temperature and density. All physical, chemical and biological processes then cease in a state of perfect disorder where no energy could be available for work. This is the gloomy picture of the Universe as it "suffers" from its "Heat Death".      
     
     Since the theory of the Universe ending in a "Heat Death" was based upon the fundamental laws of physics (second law of thermodynamics), this theory that the Universe would eventually reach thermal equilibrium would hold true regardless of which model the Universe belongs to, as physical laws are believed to be constant in this Universe. However, the "Heat Death" theory would have to be modified slightly in order to fit in with the present knowledge of a non-static Universe, such as in the case of the "Big Chill" theory mentioned later.
   
     The significant contributions of the "Heat Death" model are not just its prediction of how the Universe would end, but also its implication that we live in a finite world. Since there exists an ultimate end for the world (based on the model), there must have come a time for its beginning, for a world with an end can no longer be claimed to be infinite. In a way, the prediction of the "Heat Death" sparked off the search for more scientific explanations of the "whys" and "how" of the beginning and the end of the Universe. 

     The realisation that we live in a non-static world only came about in the 1920s with the work of Alexander Friedmann and later the observational confirmations by Edwin Hubble. Embracing the idea of an expanding Universe, alternative models for the future of the Universe were proposed based on the struggle between the momentum of expansion (from the Big Bang) and the pull of gravity.  The new models mainly dealt with the geometry of the Universe as well as its implications on the fate of the Universe.

     The most important number that determines the future of the Universe is omega: the ratio of the actual density of the Universe to its critical density. Combining Einstein's General Theory of Relativity with Friedmann's assumptions of the homogeneity and isotropy of the Universe, there exist three possible scenarios for the end of the Universe.

In the case of omega being greater than one (momentum of expansion from the "Big Bang" would overcome the gravitational pull) then the geometry of space is open and negatively curved. The Universe would experience infinite expansion, and end up in what is known as the "Big Chill'.  The end would come in a state of ultimate coldness and darkness, with a background radiation of near absolute zero (temperature drops as the universe expands). Even the black holes formed as the world expanded would have radiated away, leaving behind a diffused sea of particles and sub-particles. The Universe would have reached maximum disorder in a revised model of the "Heat Death" whereby all thermodynamic activities would come to a halt, and all remaining energy in the universe would be attenuated without limit. 

     As for an omega value of less than one, (gravitational force wins over momentum) the geometry of space is closed and positively curved. This model predicts that the expansion of the Universe would come to a halt, followed by the reverse process of contraction. The Universe would then end in a "Big Crunch", whereby it reaches a state of infinite density and extreme temperature of at least 10 000K, with all matter being consumed by numerous black holes. Finally, the Universe would become an infinitely small point containing highly condensed matter, a singularity similar to the state it was in prior to the "Big Bang", but with maximum entropy instead of the highly ordered state in which it existed just before the "Big Bang".

"What happens next?" one may ask. Indeed, the step succeeding the "Big Crunch" has led to much controversy among cosmologists. The most appealing scenario is that the Universe would "bounce" after shrinking to a very small size and be reborn in another "Big Bang". This would create a pulsating Universe that oscillates between the "Big Bang" and the "Big Crunch". This would result in an endless cycle for the Universe, thus avoiding its impending doom. However, it is not possible for the cosmological cycles to be identical. They would grow in size due to irreversible processes, such as the formation of black holes, and the increase in heat energy due to heat contribution from starlight. As a consequence, each cycle grows larger in size and lasts longer than the previous one. Eventually, future cycles become so large that they would expand without limit (similar to the infinite expansion Universe of the "Big Chill" model). The degenerative influences of the second law of thermodynamics would still operate, and the "Heat Death" of the Universe seems inevitable once again.

A more pessimistic view proposes that the infinitely small Universe would just pinch itself out and disappear into nothingness in a reversal of the original quantum fluctuation, which is believed to be an explanation of how the Universe came into existence before the "Big Bang" took place. Hence, this means effectively, that the end of the Universe would be its disappearance into nothingness, and there would be no more future for the Universe, so to speak.

If omega is exactly equal to one, the space geometry is flat, and the expansion of the Universe would ultimately stop, and the world would remain static--neither expanding nor contracting. However, the expansion would come to a halt in an infinite period of time, and for all practical discussions, the future of a flat Universe would be similar to that of an open Universe experiencing infinite expansion.

So which of the above three models would apply to our Universe? Both the Inflationary Theory and quantum fluctuation predict omega of value exactly equal to one, thus supporting a flat universe. Stephen Hawking and Jim Hartle's proposal of a "no-boundary" universe on the other hand, predicts that a closed and uniform universe, with no boundary in time and space, is the only type of universe that can occur. Recent measurements have calculated the value of omega to 0.9 with an uncertainty of 0.5. Based on current figures, the Universe could either be closed or open, or even flat. It seems therefore, that further research is needed to provide for more accurate information before predictions of greater precision as to the future of the Universe could be made. Up till now, the future seems rather open-ended.

Another possible scenario for the Universe (also a more emotionally appealing one), based on the redefined Inflationary Theory by Andrei Linde in 1983, proposes that the quantum state of the early universe might have varied in a chaotic manner from place to place in varying degrees of excitement. In the excited regions, inflation might have occurred, with the highly inflated states inflating fastest and decaying slowest. The regions with greatest inflation would thus occupy the most amount of the total space.

As a result of chaotic inflation, the universe would be divided into clusters of mini-universes of varying sizes. The Universe that we live in would be only one of many mini-universes, but occupying a large area in space due its initial rapid inflation. As inflation is a continuous process in this model, mini-universes would undergo endless cycles of birth and death at any point in time. In a way, this model describes a sort of eternal universe where even the existence of a beginning is questionable.          

     Similar to the theory of eternal universe is the theory of baby universes. In the case where a false vacuum is surrounded by true vacuum, the false vacuum would expand, but not at the expense of the true vacuum. In this model, the Universe we live in would actually be a baby universe (an expanded false vacuum) formed out of its mother universe. The baby universe was once connected to the mother universe by a wormhole. From the viewpoint of the true vacuum (mother universe), the region of space occupied by the inflated false vacuum would only look like a black hole. Once the baby universe has formed (in a very short period of time according to the Inflationary Theory), the connecting wormhole would evaporate away by Hawking's radiation. The baby universe would therefore be disconnected from the mother universe and exist on its own, creating its own space without threatening the existence of the mother universe. It would then seem possible to achieve genuine immortality should man be able to "create" baby universes from our own Universe and "migrate" into these baby universes before the death of our Universe. 
           
     The two models mentioned above are highly theoretical, and are not very likely to come true, unless new evidence can be found to support them. However, these theories predict infinite birth and death cycles of universes, and are highly appealing to scientists (and many others) who would rather believe in an ever-existing world than the impending death of the Universe that other theories postulate.
   
From the "Heat Death" theory to the baby universe model, the development of cosmological science in the search of the future of the Universe has indeed come a long way. Numerous models have since been put forward, some with more supporting evidence, some more theoretically based, and a few others more emotionally appealing to the human race. Though initially set out to dispel the mysteries of the Universe, man has found that his search for the end of the Universe has left him with greater uncertainties instead. However, one thing is certain--the search for the ultimate fate of the Universe would continue, until we can declare with confidence, "this is how it will end".

     
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Reply #13 - Feb 9th, 2008 at 7:08pm
 
It's not even the way of dying that bothers me that much - even rather nasty ways mostly don't last that long - it's getting where I should have died, and not doing so.  Ending up like Terri Schiavo, that sort of thing.

Here is good, over there is good...limbo half way between, not so good.
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Reply #14 - Feb 10th, 2008 at 11:42pm
 
I was just thinking there are probably too many theories to count as to what really happens in the afterlife....
Yet just one theory of you die, your corpse rots away and you cease to exist.

Luckily any of the numerous afterlife theories "could" be correct and would mean we continue to exist...
Adversely it only takes one guy proving the alternative that no afterlife exists for everything to lose any and all meaning.


People tend to say life is life and consciousness is all the same but if I look at it from a scientific standpoint and we are all just complex globs of living flesh. The only amazing thing I can make an interesting observation of is that humans stick out like a sore thumb. No other creature has accomplished the amazing feats of technological and physiological development as we. Nor do the other animals on this Earth question existence, life and even fear the coming of death.

Amazing achievements or not, it does seem ridiculous to assume that just because we are so amazing that we will not suffer the same fate.
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