Negative energy of suicide

Those troubled souls who are living on earth who choose to end their problems much too soon in life through suicide obviously have a very dark energy of their own they have created. Now, there are many different reasons for suicide. The first we would say is that this individual's connection with its spirit self is so blocked with negative energy that they have shut down from their spirit self. This individual is in such pain and is so confused and the wall of pain and confusion has built so strongly around him or her that the individual has closed down so much they cannot allow any love into their life.

By doing this they are looking at such a helpless and hopeless feeling, feeling of being totally alienated from the entire universe, feeling no sense of love whatsoever. When they commit this act of suicide they do not go to hell as many people say they do, but they are in a place darker than in the place of an individual crossing over for any other reason. For this is their place of darkness that they have created. These individual souls are initially met by angels and guides and they can see the brightness and the light and the love of these guides coming through to them. This light and this love does permeate the life of the individual who committed suicide so that they are not left into a complete hole of darkness though they are in a dim world compared to where they would have been under other circumstances. They are met by loved ones who have crossed over who are very glad to see them.

Those individual who cross over from suicide are eventually greeted by loved ones so that they are not living in this place of fear. Unfortunately, their interaction with these loved ones is not as prolonged--though again, time is not any essence whatsoever when crossing over--but they are not given the opportunity at this time to move immediately into this loving family environment. They are greeted by loved ones and supported and they have been released from the majority of the torment they were experiencing upon earth. Oftentimes their immediate sense of guilt of what they have done to themselves and to their loved ones retains them in a place such as a continuation of a school-room that you might relate to as in heaven.

They are so looking for forgiveness from their loved ones for what they have done to them, not what they have done to themselves, but what they have done to their loved ones that their sense of guilt is again as strong as their fears that sent them to commit suicide. Their sense of guilt often prevents them from moving on for what we on earth would consider a great length of time. As they continue their spirit life, they are given opportunities to look back at their earth life they had just ended. They are given opportunities to then be open to see the love and caring of the ones that they left behind had for them. Their lack of sense of any right to have love in their life is what drove them to commit suicide to begin with.
So as they look back upon earth on the life they had on what brought them there, whether it was shame or guilt or fear or even anger, they see how their death affects all of those surrounding them. Oftentimes those left on earth play a role in helping an individual move forward so that they can connect again with their level of spirit energy not associated with their having committed suicide.

These spirits who have committed suicide are given opportunity after opportunity to release what has brought them there so that they can move forward into their normal spirit life again. Until they find that they can release what brought them there and know that all they have to do is say--yes, I am willing to let go, I am willing to feel my rightful place that I didn't experience on earth but can move back into in Heaven. It is their free choice. They are oftentimes unable to accept that all they have to do is simply say yes and move forward, that they are restrained within the feelings and emotions that took them to commit suicide and do not allow themselves to move forward even in a spiritual world.

A majority of the time all spirits who have committed suicide move into their rightful place in the spirit world for they are able to see how much love is sent to them, both from those on earth and from those spirits who have come before them who are

They eventually come to a place where there is love and there is forgiveness but they choose not to move beyond the place where they are and are souls that no longer move forward because that is their choice. This generally does not happen but all souls are given the choice whether to move forward or not. If they remain in this state of not choosing to move forward they no longer are an energy that is in which you on earth would call this holding cell of suicidal individuals but move forward into a group of spirit souls who are at the level of consciousness they are.

There comes a time then when you make the choice to move forward that you honestly look at yourself and forgive yourself and give yourself the love and the forgiveness. And once this happens one  is able to move to the place in heaven where they would have been at the time of that evolution of their spirit from earth. This does not mean that you would be at the place that you might have come into heaven at had you continued that lifetime but at about the consciousness level of where you would have been had you not been so fully attached to the events that were taking place in life that pushed you to commit suicide

alan

I see one who tries to commit suicide or one who succeeds in committing suicide as no different from the rest of us. All of us have experienced despair or serious pain in our lives. However, I think that for one who contemplates suicide there is simply a doubt which overrules other thoughts. Isn't it the ultimate doubt, to doubt whether you are strong enough to go on? How far away is the thought that you just cannot go on? Not very far.

We should not stigmatize those who suffer this way. Neither should we ignore them. I think someone who commits suicide often does not succeed for a reason, and that reason is that we are given another chance to support them better. It is not only their responsibility. We are in relationships with all others and these relationships are our responsibility.

We are not to blame ourselves if someone we love commits suicide. There are many of us who commit "slow suicide" in a vast number of ways. We can all hope that these folks (who are really us!) seek out the understanding of those who do not judge them, and we can hope that they always find it.

love, blink

Lea Dear,

You are wrong I have been to that lonely place of bleak dispair, void of light love and hope. So dark and remote from the geat God. During my nde I went into the black void and found light and love there. My loving family could not breach the barrier of my desolation


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alan

Lea,

My nde was only a "moment"  in the dark void but ended up in the glorious light, of the typical nde.

My first post on the forum was based on this experience.

love

alan

The "causes" of suicide can be extracted a bit more. The French sociologist Emile Durkheim wrote a very good analysis of suicides in Le Suicide. He used three categories, anomic, altruistic and egoistic. He identified and gave examples of these, using extensive French forensic case data.

Anomie is the state in which nothing works, the world does not compute, everything is crazy and illogical. In that case the suicide is escaping in hope of a better life in the future.

Altruistic suicide is acceptance of death in a manner that benefits others. One might say that for Jesus to allow the Romans and Jews to put him to death was an altruistic suicide.

Egoistic suicide is the result of a hissy fit. Nobody loves me, everybody hates me, I think I'll go and eat worms, ... and I'll make certain that you all know it! And, of course, there is the case of the person with intense pain, severe disease, and so on, who chooses death as a rational solution, because the worms are eating him.

These three different cases obviously call up different afterlife situations, because they arise from radically different attitudes. Attitude, which ultimately is the tendency to interact and respond in specific ways, is associated with the nature of the dynamic that we call "my existence". We take our attitudes with us into death by virtue of the energy patterns that remain after everything else has fallen off. In this way, attitude prompts certain afterlife choices that eventually lead us back into the type of reincarnation that we have selected.

Because the selection brings back all our prior problems of getting along, we often say that it is our karma, which is true, but misses the point. We have the option of personal responsibility, by which we could, were we so inclined, make other choices. To accept responsibility is to accept the implicit ability to respond, choose and alter our own condition. Without it, we have disempowered ourselves.

In that sense, anomic suicide either calls up a search for sanity, or another crazy existence.

Altruistic suicide is likely to call up a life in which we too are rewarded, although we might not like the loss of friends through whom the rewards arrive.

Egoistic suicide as an escape from disease can lead to a return to find another solution in the next life. Or, if it was due to pride, rage or whatever, then it leads to the opportunity to find another way to live in the next life.

I'm inclined to believe that none of these cases are so dark and wretched that the actor finds a deep personal hell - with the possible exception of killing oneself out of sheer pique and pissedness.

dave

Dave and Don,

What excellent, incisive and well thought out responses from both of you . Thanks.


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But a grandmother who only steals bread to feed her starving grandchildren does not emanate the same vibration as the thief who steals out of greed and sadism. Much more needs to be learned about how the principle of like attracts like must be nuanced to account for a variety of postmortem destinations, some heavenly and others hellishThe same danger applies to simplistic thinking about "a park" as a signature of Focus

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How absolutely true Don, a point I have been trying to convince my fundamental Christian friends about in vain. They seem to take the view "I am alright Jack and to hell with the rest of you." (literaly)

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The expectation of some form of parklike Paradise is quite universal. It seems likely that many spiritual levels (Hollow Heavens, etc.) would create a parklike scene for new arrivals. Imagine a Third World visitor who visits New York City and then returns to explain what distinguishes New York from other cities. He explains, "Well, I saw a McDonald's and a Burger King in the same block."

This is also true in that the nde initially experiences areality that is familiar to he/she. In a sustained nde other more bizarra realms of existence become apparent

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Altruistic suicide is acceptance of death in a manner that benefits others. One might say that for Jesus to allow the Romans and Jews to put him to death was an altruistic suicide

Yes Dave, Altruistic suicide could be considered the ultimate expression of love of one person to another. Jesus said "No greater love has one than one who lays down his life for another"

alan